Do any other younger prog fans feel this way?

cstack3 wrote: Errrr....Stanley Clarke?  Frank Zappa?  Chester Thompson?  Billy Cobham??  Plenty of examples of black musicians in prog!

Ummm.. Frank Zappa was not black. 

Grumpyprogfan wrote: cstack3 wrote: Errrr....Stanley Clarke?  Frank Zappa?  Chester Thompson?  Billy Cobham??  Plenty of examples of black musicians in prog!  Ummm.. Frank Zappa was not black.

cstack3 wrote: Logan wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: cstack3 wrote: Errrr....Stanley Clarke?  Frank Zappa?  Chester Thompson?  Billy Cobham??  Plenty of examples of black musicians in prog!  Ummm.. Frank Zappa was not black.  Not completely... There were black musicians he worked with, which is what I expect was meant. There are lots of black musicians especially in JRF that we include in PA, but I don't consider most of those acts to be what I would first call Prog -- more like music under the Prog umbrella. Pretty damn racist of you....

If I said it in "Joe's Garage-face", would that make it more acceptable? ;)

Not sure how serious or literal you are being, claiming racist can be a very weighty accusation, but it isn't because of the colour of their skins that I don't tend to consider those to be big proper, but I meant that I generally tend to think of JRF as more under the Prog umbrella than quintessentially Prog regardless of what colour the players are (still glad we have JRF here). I love lots of JRF a lot more than a great deal of Prog, and me considering music to be Prog hardly equals me considering it to be good (not a badge of humour or quality to me). I tend to appreciate a lot more music that I consider more to be Prog umbrella music than what I consider to be quintessential Prog. Classic ELP I think of as quintessential Prog and I am not an ELP fan, by the way.

Of course Prog can be played and made by any colour and one finds great and not great Progressive Rock from around the world. I just mean that one finds more, or at least among the big names under our Prog umbrella, that I think likely would be more readily described generally as jazz-fusion artists than as Prog artists. I love lots of jazz and it seems that an inordinate number of people I really like in that are black, which I don't think makes me racist. I would rather that people cared less about skin colour and more about the individuals.

May be a misunderstanding.

Easy Money wrote: This is not directed at Logan at all, but I get the feeling from reading some previous posts that some people are missing out on some really incredible music. Why would anyone want to create little restrictive boxes for your musical learning adventure to take place in.

Excuse me for quoting myself, but to elaborate further. When Robert Fripp was formulating his ground breaking musical vision, who was he listening to? From interviews and listening to his music there is Bartok, Stravinsky and the Beatles, but also Charles Mingus, Pharoh Sanders, John Coltrane, Sun Ra, Pete Cosey and Duke Ellington. If what these artists look like is important to you, then you can use the internet to see them.

As one more example, although Miles Davis is mostly known as a jazz musician, his avant-psychedelic rock band of the mid-70s (72-75) makes folks like Pink Floyd and Gong sound like amatuers and wannabes, I do like early Floyd and Gong, but its also great to hear someone who took things one step further.

Edited by Easy Money - November 16 2023 at 08:08

"Frank Zappa" not only refers to the man, but also to his band/ensemble.  It was formerly known as the Mothers of Invention.  

^ Yeah, I just listen to what I enjoy too. I was just showing that 'someone', (not you). Had a very limited view of what a 'certain group' of people was capable of musically.

Edited by Easy Money - November 16 2023 at 12:12

I get the aspect of it that in the 70s, prog was what was in, it was a shared sensation. Going to see ELP or Yes in their prime was what everybody was doing that weekend. So, yeah, nostalgia is absolutely a form of sadness, like being homesick.

jplanet wrote: I get the aspect of it that in the 70s, prog was what was in, it was a shared sensation. Going to see ELP or Yes in their prime was what everybody was doing that weekend. So, yeah, nostalgia is absolutely a form of sadness, like being homesick. ...

SMSM wrote: "Classic prog" only lasted a few years when the baby boomers were buying records and Progressive/Compositional Rock was considered "new" thus hip  Progressive/Compositional rock is non-commercial in general and could have become popular without the above Progressive/Compositional rock that came after it was still excellent and is probably the only rock music today still turning out innovative material because musicians want to be innovative, and they often do it part time Prog is most critically reviled music today, mostly because of the group politics Media judging the group of individuals playing it, not the music itself, where it is very politically incorrect (read bigoted) for Music being played by a significant number of Whites, Males, Europeans, Middle Class persons Prog Archives is great for discovering new bands, and Prog Radio and Youtube (except when they interrupt with commercials in the middle of the song - where I don't buy such products advertised when done) There are plenty of good dvds out there

The golden era o' prog might've been long gone before I was born, but I grew up with fantastic cartoons such as: Ed Edd n Eddy, What's with Andy, FHfIF, My Little Pony FiM, Gravity Falls, Regular Show, just to name a few. That's an upside of my generation! :)

Edited by Hrychu - January 18 2024 at 10:06