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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I think looking at any kind of ratings, rankings, end-of-the-year lists or most expected albums lists, Norway would surprisingly or not, come up as the most prominent and consistent nation nowadays in terms of quantity and quality of releases, whether it be their predominant interest in exploring and expanding the possibilities of 70s influenced symphonic prog, with strong leanings towards bands like Genesis, Yes, Crimson, ELP, Cathedral, mixed with their own sensibility and traditions in folk music, or through their menacing and forward-thinking progressive metal and metal-adjacent albums, always very quirky, yet dark, occasionally jazzy and funky... But the condition that Norway is the present-day prog rock superpower is quite strong, this is my observation! No doubt that the UK is not letting go and is perhaps on par with (or often even surpassing) their Scandinavian "rivals" when it comes to originality and merging prog rock's mentality with the prevalent sounds of the modern age, the mainstream, if you will, resulting in an interesting injection, at least personally for me, of a very intriguing pop sensibility for what concerns British prog rock releases of the recent years. In any case, prog rock is in an interesting state of being, and it is by all means evolving, whether or not everyone notices. Evidenced by the emergence of a myriad of new bands that seem to be allocated to this category, when in reality, such bands are quite fluid and even genre-less, and above all, performing quite well commercially, receiving lots of attention, which ultimately leads to the appearance (or rather, re-appearance) of the term/word/genre of "progressive rock" and "progressive music", when put more generally. Coming back to the original discussion, the US is as usual very prominent, although I am finding it a bit more difficult to be as intrigued by most American prog releases, as I am by their European counterparts. Naturally, Sweden, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands also have their very strong and influential representatives in the prog scene. And then comes the question of the revival of legacy bands, which seem to be touring so often nowadays, with completely new lineups, always busy releasing new music... But this, I guess, is a completely different conversation. These are my thoughts on this thread!
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43361 |
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My Top 10 Prog Nations
01. United Kingdom (obviously) 02. Germany 03. Netherlands 04. Japan 05. United States 06. Sweden 07. Switzerland 08. Greece 09. Denmark 10. Poland
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15555 |
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I guess, things may look rather differently when we talk about strictly defined Progressive Rock instead of progressive music. Edited by David_D - January 12 2024 at 14:54 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18061 |
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Hi, I would think that the country is probably a bit more "organized" and "appreciative" of its artists and musicians, in order to help them. Compare that to the US and then UK where the powers that be don't care, it makes for a place where there are lots of music and groups but very little information and appreciation other than a couple of pockets of fans here and there. The same thing happens in Italy and Germany, and even France. There is little care for any of the musicians, other than the more famous popsters ... and that makes for the rest of the industry to suffer somewhat ... don't forget that this is very generalized. If I use Portugal as an example, or Spain, those governments couldn't careless about a rock band, and many of them (usually socialists or communists) go around saying that those bands are stealing money from the poor and the starved. Heck they said that when we were talking about moving the ashes of one of their great literature folks of the 20th century ... not likely the best, but one of the great ones. Many of these places, don't care for the arts ... plain and simple. |
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France certainly had some help for the arts, not much but much more than the UK & USA.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15555 |
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a) Uzbekistan
b) Ghana c) Liechtenstein d) Myanmar e) Faroes Islands ....or something.
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I was wondering when such a post would show up.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45622 |
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Osibisa is great. A Multinational line-up.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15555 |
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Also thanks for all the other good contributions to this topic so far, and not least from Richardh and David
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Not necessarily related to the moshkito posting you referred to (and not necessarily is disagreement with you), but I think relevant differences between nations exist regarding (a) the emphasis on arts/music in education and (b) the system of social support, taxes etc., namely how viable it is to exist on something like a half time job (or no job at all) if you put much time into music without it paying for the bills. Significant differences exist between wealthy nations in these respects.
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They count because they are a great band.
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Hi, I don't think that progressive rock, or jazz or any other kind of music gets preferential treatment ... but it would seem easy for us to say that the mariachi bands in Mexico get more help than the rock bands, which is not true ... because most Mariachi bands don't have stuff to sell, and the rock bands usually do. The higher level of "support" is tainted and sometimes ugly ... check out the arts in Eugene, Oregon ... this season, feels like every season, is Gershwin time again, and the names? You never heard them before either, but somehow "famous" songs get revitalized ... yet again ... which means that the real music of today, is not going to get any representation, and this is the "elite" side of Eugene, Or, or all the professors and Phil Knights that you can blow up ... and when you see the listings, I seriously doubt that many of these folks are any better than any jazz or rock musician out there ... In my way of seeing things, it's like ... the place lacks personality, specially when it lives in the past and makes it look like it is "the scene" ... it isn't! But tell that to the famous/rich folks that own Eugene! It's the same everywhere else, with universities creating concerts by folks that have a much smaller name than Wobbler will ever have!
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And especially, if they sing in English. ![]() |
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That's not a condition if you ask me.
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Couldn't resist! Good prog is where we find it. I rather enjoy the Mongolian group The HU! Perhaps not prog in the classic sense, but very aggressive and creative. As far as most successful nation....measured by tax receipts? Touring? Product releases?
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