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I wouldn't count Yoko as a musician. 
Wakeman coudn't really sing although he does a bit on Rock n Roll Prophet.
The only time Emerson and Palmer sang in ELP were their drunken antics on Are You Ready Eddie?
Vangelis does speak sometimes on his music (Albedo 0.39) and his only bit of singing I remember was on his 1980 post new wave effort See You Later (Multi Track Suggestion). It's actually strangely coincedental that the only time Emerson, Wakeman and Vangelis tried to properly sing was in the early 80's. Was that because there were so many bad singers around at the time they thought they might just as well have a go?!
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^ remembered that Vangelis did (kinda) sing on the Spiral album in 1977 but it was through a vocoder.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

I'm not sure that Jon Lord has ever sung either.
Early DP albums have background vocals, I assume that was Jon Lord and Nicky Simper, maybe not. Jon was actually an aspiring actor, its not unusual for actors to have some vocal abilities.


We can only presume that either singing wasn't his forte, or it was something he just wasn't interested in, preferring to concentrate on his keyboard capabilities.
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

I'm not sure that Jon Lord has ever sung either.
Early DP albums have background vocals, I assume that was Jon Lord and Nicky Simper, maybe not. Jon was actually an aspiring actor, its not unusual for actors to have some vocal abilities.


We can only presume that either singing wasn't his forte, or it was something he just wasn't interested in, preferring to concentrate on his keyboard capabilities.
I'm sure he is a much better keyboard player than singer. I checked some of the old DP albums and Jon and Nicky are listed as singers. Apparently when Ian Gillan joined the group they dumped the idea of backing vocals.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't count Yoko as a musician.
Well she has over a dozen solo albums that she wrote the music for. Why doesn't she count as a musician?
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't count Yoko as a musician.
Well she has over a dozen solo albums that she wrote the music for. Why doesn't she count as a musician?

She plays piano. She's a horrible musician but a musician nonetheless.


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't count Yoko as a musician.
Well she has over a dozen solo albums that she wrote the music for. Why doesn't she count as a musician?
only dickheads who think yoko was the reason why the beatles broke up would think that shes not a musician
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^ She's a bad musician. Deal?
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I'll readily admit to talking 'sh*t' much of the time. Clearly no clue about Yoko Ono, thought she was just an 'add on' extra much like Linda was! I'll take the 'dickhead' jibe on the chin. Good old school insult if ever there was , and I am a 'Dick' literally! Smile
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

my favorite guitarist can’t sing - - not lead singer material at all- if he didn’t sing on many of his albums they would have been bigger hits- Hackett—

I saw Hackett live just a few months back. He sang a jazz fusion version of "Camino Royale" and it sounded awesome. IMO Hackett actually ha a great voice. 
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HI,

Coming from theater and film, in the end, to me, there are no bad singers or musicians, since it is all different and ... sometimes it just sounds weird.

There is a story about actor Paul Scofield in one or Peter Brook's books and it was in the performances of King Lear, and in over 200 shows, Peter Brook states that he never once heard Paul do the specific set of lines the same way ... it was different each and every time, and I wonder if it is our thinking that singing has to be this and that way, in order for it to be good, and determine if someone can sing. I'm not even convinced about having to be pitch perfect, and folks like Robert Wyatt are not pitch perfect but his voice comes out just fine.

Reminds me of folks that disliked Joe Cocker when he came out, and then one night at the Oscars he put tears in everyone's eyes ... 

I don't think of Yoko Ono, btw, as a musician. As an artist, maybe and that is what she started out with I believe, but in the end, I think that the idea was to go 100% against the ideas and concepts about the arts ... a dot on a white wall? Hmmmm !!! Probably just as bad as what many of us think of her singing. She doesn't bother me either way ... 
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^ 29 albums under her name, many of which released through major labels. She is a musician.
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OK - let's lob a few hand grenades:
Ian Anderson (since c2010) - I saw him in concert and he was atrocious. He was great in 1984, though.
James LaBrie - that'll upset a few people, but he's the main reason I can't listen to Dream Theater (but not the only one).
Roger Waters - I just can't stand his voice
Dave Lawson (Greenslade)
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

OK - let's lob a few hand grenades:
Ian Anderson (since c2010) - I saw him in concert and he was atrocious. He was great in 1984, though.
James LaBrie - that'll upset a few people, but he's the main reason I can't listen to Dream Theater (but not the only one).
Roger Waters - I just can't stand his voice
Dave Lawson (Greenslade)

I think all singers you mention here can sing, it's just that you dislike them.
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^ Yep I like Dave Lawson and Ian Anderson personally. Waters is a writer foremost but can sing (sort of). LaBrie is most commonly sited as the reason why many don't like Dream Theater but it's never been a massive issue for me. The fact he's a bit of a 'bell end' might be more of an issue. He and Portnoy now have to get along and that should be interesting lol.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Yep I like Dave Lawson and Ian Anderson personally. Waters is a writer foremost but can sing (sort of). LaBrie is most commonly sited as the reason why many don't like Dream Theater but it's never been a massive issue for me. The fact he's a bit of a 'bell end' might be more of an issue. He and Portnoy now have to get along and that should be interesting lol.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Yep I like Dave Lawson and Ian Anderson personally. Waters is a writer foremost but can sing (sort of). LaBrie is most commonly sited as the reason why many don't like Dream Theater but it's never been a massive issue for me. The fact he's a bit of a 'bell end' might be more of an issue. He and Portnoy now have to get along and that should be interesting lol.


Many Roger songs could only be sung by Roger, especially from his solo career... but when the classic line up was functioning he was generous at allocating the vocals to either Dave or Rick, whoever he considered could do the song the most justice.

For example I do prefer Roger's voice on Brain Damage & Eclipse on the DSotM album, rather than as Dave singes the songs on P.U.L.S.E.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I wouldn't count Yoko as a musician.


Well she has made several albums (granted), but for me she is more of a performance artist who screams and makes a plethora of other vocal noises. I do actually enjoy her 70's albums in an odd sort of way.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

In effect BAD SINGING is RELATIVE to the music the vocals are set to
BAD SINGING results from trying to force one style of singing onto a musical style that doesn't work
Ozzy Osbourne is not a great singer either but worked perfectly in Black Sabbath
Celine Dion is an amazing singer but is utterly boring because the music is just so awful
 

Some people just can't hit notes properly. They do not hear when they're singing out of tune. In order to sing properly, you at least need what is called "relative pitch", meaning that you can hear intervals between notes, enabling you to hear music and then what you're singing and how the pitch you generate relates to the music that's playing (or other people singing, in a choir).

As an example, from what I've heard, Yoko Ono does not have that. Would have been using auto-tune, had it been available in the 70s.



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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

OK - let's lob a few hand grenades:
Ian Anderson (since c2010) - I saw him in concert and he was atrocious. He was great in 1984, though.
James LaBrie - that'll upset a few people, but he's the main reason I can't listen to Dream Theater (but not the only one).
Roger Waters - I just can't stand his voice
Dave Lawson (Greenslade)

I think all singers you mention here can sing, it's just that you dislike them.

When it comes to James LaBrie, although he is an extraordinarly good singer, I've seen him live a couple of times and he was not able to hit the notes properly. Good singer, terrible live singing. Unfortunately! 


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