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moshkito
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Hi, With all due respect, I'm not one of those listeners that has to listen to everything to find out if it fits in the bathroom, or in the kitchen! I like it, when "the music comes to me" ... something which is hard to explain, but in general, the way I "meet" a lot of the stuff, new or old, is impossible to determine. Some shows up at the door ... asking for a cup of coffee. Some shows up at the door, wanting to sell you some religion! Some shows up at the door, because it was the last one on this side of the street! And then, I walked over to 711 to get some cuppa cuppa and when I got home and turned on PA on the computer, the first thing that opened my eyes was "Staraya Dereynya" and I ended up listening to it. Going back to the 70's when my listening really improved and changed, it was the "surprise" that made me like something or go looking for it. The surprises in 1972 for me, were TD, Genesis, Nektar, Amon Duul 2, Can, Byzantium, Kevin Ayers ... and from that KA album, the inner sleeve with the Hipgnosis Breakfast Ingredients for the Harvest Label ... and I went after all of those folks right away. Still love dearly Edgar Broughton Band, Roy Harper, Third Ear Band, Kevin Ayers, Capability Brown, and then later some of the European Harvest label choices, like Tanned Leather, Kayak, Triumvirat, Cherubin, Eloy, Jane and many other bands that I'm failing to remember. The only thread I used, then, was the Harvest label chase down, which was almost exactly like ECM which I was listening to at the time ... and not even Keith Jarrett either, but ECM for me started with Gismonti, then Garbarek, then Rypdal ... and the rest was history ... all of it! The album of the month, for me, is fine for everyone else, but not really something that helps with the listening style that kinda requires "different", "alluring", wow ... I need some more coffee! ... stuff that is vastly different and it hits you from a completely different side of the "idea" of how to find music ... finding music, FOR ME, is not about "being told" at all ... and a list, for me, is sort of like being told what everything is, and here is a sample for you to needle, and by the time I hear 3 or 4 of them, it's like they all sound the same. Half of your listing, in my book ... is just you looking like you care for all the bands. And hoping that in a year's time, many of those bands will be sending you free copies of their material for your enjoyment and review. I don't see that you are into it for the art at all ... you are in it for the "styles" that fit ... invented by a number of folks out there somewhere. Popularity, is not an indication of the things I should listen to ... and sometimes, generally, I turn the other way intentionally! You don't know what it is like to fight a corrupt establishment. I was in the middle of Vietnam, in the middle of the National Guard surrounding the Rathskeller in Madison, and freely frisking and touching all the women and students, and then getting my head banged in Chicago when ___ & The ___ ______ did not show up for a concert, and here came Dailey's troupes to hit you ... and a week later, one of your friends, was shot down in an apartment and accused of being a terrorist ... he was a straight A student in Madison, and so far removed from politics, it wasn't funny! You have no idea, how much of the music in the late 60's and early 70's was so important and stood up for you ... and all you can hear is music that has very little basis for its content ... and hope to get your imagination excited enough to get an erection! And listen, of course! Then you would understand what "meaning is" and "how" it can be worked. So much of the stuff listed, is simply not important enough ... other than ... just another song. I don't want PA, or "progressive" to be ... just another song! It's a different time and place. I know that ... but a list, for me, is just an exercise in meaninglessness ... which you are justifying by numbers! Sorry ... not my thing! And I'm glad that PA uses PEOPLE ... not numbers!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ fine, goodbye. Not nice talking to you. Not going to read all that self-promoting, arrogant drivel either.
Btw: this is not about numbers, it is about people. Too bad that you can’t see beyond your prejudices. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 22 2023 at 08:17 |
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moshkito
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Hi, And you consider yourself educated by numbers ... talk about self promotion ... by numbers! The day you want to talk, just say so ... but you're more concerned with "being right" and "being important", than you are in the subject matter altogether. Oh well, such is life ... no longer an animal farm ... it's now a "numbers farm".
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ you are mistaken if you think this is about numbers.
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rushfan4
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1. French TV - A Ghastly State Of Affairs Bandcamp {ap:66477} 2. D'Virgilio, Morse & Jennings - Sophomore Spotify {ap:65659} These are the only three I've listened to so far. I recently purchased 2 others but have not listened to them as of yet.
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MikeEnRegalia
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I find that insulting. Running my website costs me money, and it took countless hours (man-years) to build. There is no advertising, there are no promo-code links, I'm not making any money. Of course it is my website, so there will always be some amount of "self-promotion" in it no matter what I do. But to suggest that I'm only doing it to get free review copies of albums ... that's an ugly low blow.
Those numbers come from PEOPLE, in case you didn't notice. All of whom you are insulting with your hateful demeaning comments. You don't like it? Fine. THEN. STAY. AWAY. please.
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Logan
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When someone's head is shoved very firmly up his/her/their own narrative, there is no point in trying to reason with them, explain to them, or seek clarification. Communication becomes impossible and or infuriating. Come to expect it, but still it is such a downer and makes me enjoy my time at this forum much less.
I like such lists for seeing what I don't know, discovering music, sharing what I like, and seeing what others appreciate. Thanks so much for putting this together, you've put much effort into this and into your site. And I look forward to what more is to come. And if one cares about "progressive", well, you've been innovative/ progressive with your site. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Thanks! We'll see how it goes. What I can say at this point is that these lists, with the participation so far, have been really valuable and interesting for me. I'm looking forward to even more inspiration!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Well, here we go: You can now vote for any release, and the results are calculated for PA and Non-PA releases separately. I'll add a few more tweaks, but it basically works. Here's my new list:
1. Confusion Field - Future Impact Of Past Diversions {ap:66318} 2. [Non-PA] Endless Corridors - Echoes From The Sunken City {ap:66760} 3. Earthside - Let The Truth Speak {ap:65242} 4. [Non-PA] Helga - Wrapped In Mist {ap:67481} 5. Angra - Cycles Of Pain {ap:65370} 6. Vamoosery - Moving Forward {ap:66589} 7. [Non-PA] Dissona - Dreadfully Distinct {ap:66167} 8. [Non-PA] Temic - Terror Management Theory {ap:65371} |
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Logan
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I did these:
1. [Non-PA] Lingua Ignota - THE END : LIVE AT ISLINGTON ASSEMBLY HALL {ap:66662} 2. PoiL - Poil Ueda: Yosh*tsune {ap:65795} 3. Univers Zéro - Lueur {ap:66471} 4. [Non-PA] Matt Berry - Simplicity {ap:67454} 5. Chromb! - Cinq {ap:65683} 6. The Snobs - À Distance {ap:66824} 7. Kilter - The Suspended Woman {ap:67558} |
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bartymj
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Moshkito, if its not your thing, it's very possible for you just to ignore it and move on. Some of us actually enjoy seeing and discussing what we like listening to without insulting each other's tastes or resorting to smug self-absorbed nonsense or this ridiculous attempt at gatekeeping progressive music away from anyone that hasn't achieved divine enlightenment.
What Mike is doing here, and what ProgArchives also does, very simply boils down to helping more people enjoy music that is new to them. Many that wouldn't otherwise have come across that music at all. If you don't like that, fine, ignore it and leave it to those less self-righteous.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Here's my list exported again, now with proper links:
1. Confusion Field - Future Impact Of Past Diversions Spotify {ap:66318} 5. Angra - Cycles Of Pain Spotify {ap:65370}
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 23 2023 at 16:15 |
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richardh
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I find it a shame that Pedro has to go down this road every time. When he concentrates on the music (and not berating people who like good music) then he is very good indeed. I enjoy that Psicolorama release a lot and he recommended it! But he gets lost a lot of the time. I think he has very good music instincts but zero social skills to speak of but maybe that the majority of prog fans summed up in a nutshell!
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ indeed, there might be an inverse relationship.
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BrufordFreak
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Excellent summation (of both Pedro and prog lovers)! |
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Drew Fisher
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MikeEnRegalia
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My votes for AOTM 2023: September 2. Soen - Memorial Spotify {ap:64057} 3. The Ryszard Kramarski Project - Odyssey 9999 Spotify {ap:65675} {ap-meta:topic-aotm-2023-09:user-508:ts-1703781880491} I really like that Soen release a lot, but it didn't make the cut for the top 20 of 2023 just because there are so many great releases this year.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 28 2023 at 09:47 |
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Logan
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Copying my whole list here for now as it is not showing all of those I have selected under the all of 2023 rather than individual months list:
My votes for AOTY 2023 1. Swans - The Beggar [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:63656} 2. [AP Prog] Sprain - The Lamb As Effigy [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66267} 3. [AP Non-Prog] Lingua Ignota - THE END : LIVE AT ISLINGTON ASSEMBLY HALL [Bandcamp] {ap:66662} 4. [AP Prog-Adj] Sufjan Stevens - Javelin [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66095} 5. [AP Non-Prog] PJ Harvey - I Inside the Old Year Dying [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:64883} 6. PoiL - Poil Ueda [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:55644} 7. Squid - O Monolith [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:55683} 8. [AP Non-Prog] Depeche Mode - Memento Mori [Spotify] {ap:54558} 9. [AP Non-Prog] Reverend Kristin Michael Hayter - SAVED! [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:67836} 10. Kosmischer Läufer - Volume 5 [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:55138} 11. Trees Speak - Mind Maze [Spotify] {ap:55034} 12. ALL HANDS_MAKE LIGHT - "Darling the Dawn" [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66339} 13. Susanne Sundfør - blómi [Bandcamp] {ap:54691} 14. [AP Non-Prog] Vanishing Twin - Afternoon X [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66547} 15. [AP Prog] Die Wilde Jagd - Ophio [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:67353} 16. Oiapok - OisoLün [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:54573} 17. [AP Non-Prog] Yo La Tengo - This Stupid World {ap:63054} 18. Univers Zéro - Lueur [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66471} 19. Tim Hecker - No Highs [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:55665} 20. Goat - Medicine [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66299} 21. PoiL - Poil Ueda: Yosh*tsune [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:65795} 22. The Holy Family - Go Zero [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:65140} 23. Teeth Of The Sea - Hive [Bandcamp] {ap:65940} 24. Bob Drake - The Room in the Tower [Bandcamp] {ap:67570} 25. King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - PetroDragonic Apocalypse [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:63750} 26. Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (DAAU) - Musik Für Animierten Tonspurfilm [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66940} 27. Electric Orange - gap [Bandcamp] {ap:65210} 28. Explosions in the Sky - End [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:65873} 29. [AP Prog] World's End Girlfriend - Resistance & The Blessing [Bandcamp] {ap:66252} 30. Held By Trees - Solace ~ Live At Real World {ap:62892} 31. Agusa - Prima Materia [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:64672} 32. Cosmic Ground - Entropy [Bandcamp] {ap:65646} 33. [AP Non-Prog] Matt Berry - Simplicity [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:67454} 34. Chromb! - Cinq [Bandcamp] {ap:65683} 35. SWRM - Salamander [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:64574} 36. Thee Oh Sees - Intercepted Message {ap:65750} 37. Jack O' The Clock - The Warm, Dark Circus [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66311} 38. [AP Prog] Monika Roscher Bigband - Witchy Activities And The Maple Death [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:64093} 39. Homunculus Res - Ecco l'impero Dei Doppi Sensi [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:64076} 40. Amoeba Split - Quiet Euphoria [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:54888} 41. Zopp - Dominion [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:54131} 42. La Theorie Des Cordes - 4u-9525 [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:63207} 43. Uboa - Empathy Shield {ap:67524} 44. Kilter - The Suspended Woman [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:67558} {ap-meta:topic-aoty-2023:user-493:ts-1703808763055} I keep on losing my lists and having to re-post. Edited by Logan - December 28 2023 at 17:14 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ Ok, I should have mentioned that you can't submit two lists in one post
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Logan
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My votes for AOTM 2023: October
1. [AP Prog-Adj] Sufjan Stevens - Javelin [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66095} 2. [AP Non-Prog] Reverend Kristin Michael Hayter - SAVED! [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:67836} 3. [AP Non-Prog] Vanishing Twin - Afternoon X {ap:66547} 4. Goat - Medicine [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66299} 5. Teeth Of The Sea - Hive [Bandcamp] {ap:65940} 6. Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (DAAU) - Musik Für Animierten Tonspurfilm [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66940} 7. Jack O' The Clock - The Warm, Dark Circus [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66311} {ap-meta:topic-aotm-2023-10:user-493:ts-1703794580838} |
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Logan
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My votes for AOTM 2023: September
1. [AP Prog] Sprain - The Lamb As Effigy [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:66267} 2. Explosions in the Sky - End [Bandcamp] [Spotify] {ap:65873} 3. [AP Prog] World's End Girlfriend - Resistance & The Blessing [Bandcamp] {ap:66252} {ap-meta:topic-aotm-2023-09:user-493:ts-1703796937090} |
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