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Thanks! We'll see how it goes. What I can say at this point is that these lists, with the participation so far, have been really valuable and interesting for me. I'm looking forward to even more inspiration! 
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When someone's head is shoved very firmly up his/her/their own narrative, there is no point in trying to reason with them, explain to them, or seek clarification. Communication becomes impossible and or infuriating. Come to expect it, but still it is such a downer and makes me enjoy my time at this forum much less.

I like such lists for seeing what I don't know, discovering music, sharing what I like, and seeing what others appreciate. Thanks so much for putting this together, you've put much effort into this and into your site. And I look forward to what more is to come. And if one cares about "progressive", well,   you've been innovative/ progressive with your site.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Half of your listing, in my book ... is just you looking like you care for all the bands. And hoping that in a year's time, many of those bands will be sending you free copies of their material for your enjoyment and review. I don't see that you are into it for the art at all ... you are in it for the "styles" that fit ... invented by a number of folks out there somewhere. Popularity, is not an indication of the things I should listen to ... and sometimes, generally, I turn the other way intentionally!

I find that insulting. Running my website costs me money, and it took countless hours (man-years) to build. There is no advertising, there are no promo-code links, I'm not making any money. Of course it is my website, so there will always be some amount of "self-promotion" in it no matter what I do. But to suggest that I'm only doing it to get free review copies of albums ... that's an ugly low blow. 

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sorry ... not my thing! And I'm glad that PA uses PEOPLE ... not numbers!

Those numbers come from PEOPLE, in case you didn't notice. All of whom you are insulting with your hateful demeaning comments. You don't like it? Fine. THEN. STAY. AWAY. please. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2023 at 08:33

These are the only three I've listened to so far.  I recently purchased 2 others but have not listened to them as of yet.


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^ you are mistaken if you think this is about numbers.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ fine, goodbye. Not nice talking to you. Not going to read all that self-promoting, arrogant drivel either.

Hi,

And you consider yourself educated by numbers ... talk about self promotion ... by numbers!

The day you want to talk, just say so ... but you're more concerned with "being right" and "being important", than you are in the subject matter altogether. 

Oh well, such is life ... no longer an animal farm ... it's now a "numbers farm".
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^ fine, goodbye. Not nice talking to you. Not going to read all that self-promoting, arrogant drivel either.

Btw: this is not about numbers, it is about people. Too bad that you can’t see beyond your prejudices.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 22 2023 at 08:17
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ case in point: You like Staraya Derevnya, but they are not in the archives (yet). You’ll soon be able to select their latest release for the November list. And you should - I would be glad to see which recent releases you really like, regardless of whether they are in the archives.

Hi,

With all due respect, I'm not one of those listeners that has to listen to everything to find out if it fits in the bathroom, or in the kitchen!

I like it, when "the music comes to me" ... something which is hard to explain, but in general, the way I "meet" a lot of the stuff, new or old, is impossible to determine. Some shows up at the door ... asking for a cup of coffee. Some shows up at the door, wanting to sell you some religion! Some shows up at the door, because it was the last one on this side of the street! And then, I walked over to 711 to get some cuppa cuppa and when I got home and turned on PA on the computer, the first thing that opened my eyes was "Staraya Dereynya" and I ended up listening to it. 

Going back to the 70's when my listening really improved and changed, it was the "surprise" that made me like something or go looking for it. The surprises in 1972 for me, were TD, Genesis, Nektar, Amon Duul 2, Can, Byzantium, Kevin Ayers ... and from that KA album, the inner sleeve with the Hipgnosis Breakfast Ingredients for the Harvest Label ... and I went after all of those folks right away. Still love dearly Edgar Broughton Band, Roy Harper, Third Ear Band, Kevin Ayers, Capability Brown, and then later some of the European Harvest label choices, like Tanned Leather, Kayak, Triumvirat, Cherubin, Eloy, Jane and many other bands that I'm failing to remember.

The only thread I used, then, was the Harvest label chase down, which was almost exactly like ECM which I was listening to at the time ... and not even Keith Jarrett either, but ECM for me started with Gismonti, then Garbarek, then Rypdal ... and the rest was history ... all of it!

The album of the month, for me, is fine for everyone else, but not really something that helps with the listening style that kinda requires "different", "alluring", wow ... I need some more coffee! ... stuff that is vastly different and it hits you from a completely different side of the "idea" of how to find music ... finding music, FOR ME, is not about "being told" at all ... and a list, for me, is sort of like being told what everything is, and here is a sample for you to needle, and by the time I hear 3 or 4 of them, it's like they all sound the same. 

Half of your listing, in my book ... is just you looking like you care for all the bands. And hoping that in a year's time, many of those bands will be sending you free copies of their material for your enjoyment and review. I don't see that you are into it for the art at all ... you are in it for the "styles" that fit ... invented by a number of folks out there somewhere. Popularity, is not an indication of the things I should listen to ... and sometimes, generally, I turn the other way intentionally!

You don't know what it is like to fight a corrupt establishment. I was in the middle of Vietnam, in the middle of the National Guard surrounding the Rathskeller in Madison, and freely frisking and touching all the women and students, and then getting my head banged in Chicago when ___ & The ___ ______ did not show up for a concert, and here came Dailey's troupes to hit you ... and a week later, one of your friends, was shot down in an apartment and accused of being a terrorist ... he was a straight A student in Madison, and so far removed from politics, it wasn't funny! You have no idea, how much of the music in the late 60's and early 70's was so important and stood up for you ... and all you can hear is music that has very little basis for its content ... and hope to get your imagination excited enough to get an erection! And listen, of course! Then you would understand what "meaning is" and "how" it can be worked. So much of the stuff listed, is simply not important enough ... other than ... just another song. I don't want PA, or "progressive" to be ... just another song!

It's a different time and place. I know that ... but a list, for me, is just an exercise in meaninglessness ... which you are justifying by numbers!

Sorry ... not my thing! And I'm glad that PA uses PEOPLE ... not numbers!


Edited by moshkito - December 22 2023 at 08:08
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^ case in point: You like Staraya Derevnya, but they are not in the archives (yet). You’ll soon be able to select their latest release for the November list. And you should - I would be glad to see which recent releases you really like, regardless of whether they are in the archives.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

While I would not like to diminish the number of folks in these lists, the one thing that bothers me is that so much of it should not quite be listed as "progressive", which is being infested by bands that are not that at all and just a bunch of songsters. 

I take it you mean the current list of releases to select from? Yes, it currently includes all releases in AP, which includes non-prog music. I will add different modes of selection there (for example, you will be able to limit it to PA releases, or also include releases tagged as prog, or which you yourself tagged as prog, if you are an AP member). The reason is simple: If we truly want to see which releases, besides from those officially listed at PA, users of this forum like best, we should enable them to add anything they want. We can sort out later whether it is prog or not.

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

That's not to say that "progressive" can not have "songs", but if we go back to the "start", it was more designed and defined by having something more than just a song, with a special meaning, of connection, to the time and place. The majority of the material being listed here is not exactly connected to anything except some sort of idealism about "progressive", which in the end is being diluted with the intent of destroying it in the future.

Wrong place to discuss the age-old question of what defines "prog". Don't care, as far as these lists are concerned - the main criterion should be whether a release is listed at pa or not.

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I can see the November listing as a general part of stuff, but being a part of "progressive" is more than ridiculous in my book, and PA being far more sensitive and detailed as to its ability to include something is all of a sudden, very important to me ... as opposed to the idea of just adding things for the sake of adding things, and then invent the idea that they fit.

Quite a serious accusation! Well, you're being really vague. Please give an example. Who put which release in the list as "prog" which you think is not prog?

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sorry ... just because some one has more entries, does not mean that the listing is better than PA's choices. As such, many of those other websites, are hardly "progressive" as they claim to be!

You misunderstand the purpose. We don't include non-pa releases because they are "better". We do so because among the non-pa releases there are many which will almost assuredly make it into the archives in the future. There are many of us, myself included, who would be really interested in all the new releases we listen to and enjoy.


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Hi,

While I would not like to diminish the number of folks in these lists, the one thing that bothers me is that so much of it should not quite be listed as "progressive", which is being infested by bands that are not that at all and just a bunch of songsters. 

That's not to say that "progressive" can not have "songs", but if we go back to the "start", it was more designed and defined by having something more than just a song, with a special meaning, of connection, to the time and place. The majority of the material being listed here is not exactly connected to anything except some sort of idealism about "progressive", which in the end is being diluted with the intent of destroying it in the future.

I can see the November listing as a general part of stuff, but being a part of "progressive" is more than ridiculous in my book, and PA being far more sensitive and detailed as to its ability to include something is all of a sudden, very important to me ... as opposed to the idea of just adding things for the sake of adding things, and then invent the idea that they fit.

Sorry ... just because some one has more entries, does not mean that the listing is better than PA's choices. As such, many of those other websites, are hardly "progressive" as they claim to be!
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Ok, I've just completed a big refactoring. The tool now lists non-pa releases as well, and the selection page is much faster. The non-pa releases cannot be selected yet, that will be next.

My plan is that you'll be able to compile a list that can contain both pa and non-pa releases, but you will be able to see which is which, and there will be two separate result tabs. So if you only choose pa releases, nothing will change.

The nice thing about this approach is that as soon as releases get added to pa, they automatically move from the non-pa results to the pa results. All you have to do is to select one consistent list of your top releases. 
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^ Sure, any vote counts. Even if you have only one album, it will still get five points from you. Smile
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I have only listened to two and enjoy both. The second PoiL Ueda release for 2023 made my year end top 20 and the Gong album would be in a top 30 list. I don't know if it would be right to rank just two out of two, but here they are.


1. PoiL - Poil Ueda: Yosh*tsune {ap:65795}
2. Gong - Unending Ascending {ap:65673}
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^ I'm hopeful that various more innovative and quite unique albums will be added to PA not only for December, but November and the earlier months of 2023 before the AOTY nomination process is over. I guess despite having an official results date, if it does not prove problematic to you, people could keep amending their lists later and those results could be updated (need not be seen as such a static Album of the Year result, but I don't see it as a contest which might make some difference in perspective). Especially a debut might not get onto the radar until much later, and then if it is quite unique, at least for PA, it might be harder to find its way into the archives. I tend to like the derivative and innovative, the progressive and regressive, but it's those ones often that seem rather out of the what I think of as typical Prog (or Prog subgenre) boxes that can often interest me the most. I would like all months provided that they are not 12 different topics. I think putting it under one topic, or a few topics might be better actually, would work best. And I'm interested to see people's not in PA lists, so I might like to make one for the year for those not on your lists. It wouldn't work in the cool way yours does, of course.

Now, sh*tsureishimasu, excuse any spelling errors, I'm off to get a sh*tsu massage from my sh*tsu inu as soon as I finish this bowl of lovely sh*take mushrooms.

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^ No sh*t!LOL
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Quote 3. PoiL - Poil Ueda: Yosh*tsune

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^ I'm hopeful that various more innovative and quite unique albums will be added to PA not only for December, but November and the earlier months of 2023 before the AOTY nomination process is over. I guess despite having an official results date, if it does not prove problematic to you, people could keep amending their lists later and those results could be updated (need not be seen as such a static Album of the Year result, but I don't see it as a contest which might make some difference in perspective). Especially a debut might not get onto the radar until much later, and then if it is quite unique, at least for PA, it might be harder to find its way into the archives. I tend to like the derivative and innovative, the progressive and regressive, but it's those ones often that seem rather out of the what I think of as typical Prog (or Prog subgenre) boxes that can often interest me the most. I would like all months provided that they are not 12 different topics. I think putting it under one topic, or a few topics might be better actually, would work best. And I'm interested to see people's not in PA lists, so I might like to make one for the year for those not on your lists. It wouldn't work in the cool way yours does, of course.

Now, sh*tsureishimasu, excuse any spelling errors, I'm off to get a sh*tsu massage from my sh*tsu inu as soon as I finish this bowl of lovely sh*take mushrooms.

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^ If people enjoy this, I could do it for all months from now on, with a convenient way to re-use your monthly picks in the yearly poll.

There's enough albums being released to choose from year-round, although december is a little bit thin. I've just checked the database, here are the numbers (all releases tagged as prog vs. all in pa):

 released_in_month | all | in_pa
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                 1 | 132 |    74
                 2 | 136 |    80
                 3 | 194 |   100
                 4 | 156 |    82
                 5 | 171 |    88
                 6 | 167 |    88
                 7 | 129 |    67
                 8 | 118 |    62
                 9 | 190 |    96
                10 | 172 |   103
                11 | 115 |    53
                12 |  42 |    27
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