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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2023 at 10:45
^ The problem here though is that a lot of rock and even prog fans didn't want this. The fact that Dark Side Of The Moon ruled showed that doing this sort of thing was already (in 1974) becoming more and more difficult to pull off. Personally I think ELP's Works Volume One album was even braver and bolder but no one cares about that!

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Hi,

All Things considered, for me, this is one of the top albums ever. It's sad that folks do not seem to consider it a "symphony" in 4 parts, which would better describe the whole work and perhaps give it a better standing, but it seems to me that the preference for rock music is to NOT do anything that is more "classical" in form, instead of being more song oriented.

I don't think the idea that Rick mentioned was a good idea. I think it is excellent as it is, although some folks do not seem to like Side 3 of the double album, but in my book, all of it stands out for something that rock musicians can do that ... in some ways ... they are too lazy to do, and will often select the easiest path and cheapest design. 

I have always looked at a lot of these musicians as the classical musicians of our time, and in all honesty I have this bit of stomach noise when folks want to see it brought down to the level of a song, albeit a long song, which should have been broken up. I, for one, am glad it stood out in one piece, and 50 years later, it still lives as one of the greatest achievements with rock musicians.

The concert I saw at the Long Beach Arena, was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. It was a magical concert and it was really beautiful and 10 years later I heard a bootleg and it was indeed a well played show .... with one sad moment. The audience did not wake up until after their break at the end of TFTO. The next section started with Roundabout if I remember correctly, and from then on the audience was on fire.

I left the show crying. Some of the prettiest and best playing by folks my age, was not appreciated, and only applauded when the "hit song" came on, which already tells you what the business was about at the time ... it was very sad, because you knew that this piece was gonna get trashed for a long time ... and I'm just happy that 50 years later ... all those haters, lost ... the piece is remembered more than ever and will continue to be so!
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My journey with Yes has always been a little strange. I was told to listen to them back in the seventies as they were like ELP supposedly. Being it was 1978 I went with Tormato which was a bad place to start (cheesy keyboard sounds and a general mess). It wasn't uintil I heard Fragile years later that my opinion changed. I got to see them live around about 1996 for the first time and they played the first part of Tales and I was suprised how much I liked it and also how much I recognised. I had the album but didn't play it much. Would have been interesting to see them do all of it back in the day, clam shell, madras and all!
Nowadays I hardly listen to it and definitely in the camp of it having too much padding. They were coming off Fragile and CTTE which were and still are massive statements of prog perfection. My enduring feeling is that Yes reached their pinnacle with the Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford line up and nothing is going to change that. 
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^Me too. I heard a Wakeman interview where he pointed out that they were supposed to do exactly that, 2 of the tracks were originally supposed to be 8 minutesish. They either had to edit down for one LP or write a bunch of filler. They chose the latter. He labeled it "studio busking".

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 19:40
I guess I sort of agree with Wakeman on this one, it might have been better if it had followed the pattern of Close to the Edge, leaving Revealing Science of God as the epic song, and make two 10 min songs out of the rest of the material. However, if I have found that if I do put the whole album and just pay attention to the whole it ends up being much more enjoyable.
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^True, and the ending of Ritual, beautiful. 

I'm listening to the album right now. My copy sounds amazing
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Wakeman's minimoog solo towards the end of Revealing Science is one of his best and requires playback at very high volume...
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one of my all times favorites :-)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 13:56
Starting Tales now. ELP's BSS was a brilliant listen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frets N Worries Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 13:42
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

First things first...ELP, then Yes. It's a busy listening day.


But a good one!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 12:58
First things first...ELP, then Yes. It's a busy listening day.
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TFTO is prog rock mastery, all the way down to the splendid cover art.

BSS has Giger, TFTO has Dean...both released on the very same day. Incredible.
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Top 5 Yes album for me.......
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Originally posted by Criswell Criswell wrote:

Wow...two masterpieces of prog rock (BSS the other) released on the same day...crazy...

The greatest day in prog history?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Criswell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 08:47
Wow...two masterpieces of prog rock (BSS the other) released on the same day...crazy...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frets N Worries Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2023 at 08:40
Since this is Yes's greatest work, it deserves it's own thread. Released 50 years ago today (December 7th), 'Tales from Topographic Oceans' has been hailed as both the best and worst prog rock album of all time. either way, none can deny that fantastic album cover!

Tales from Topographic Oceans - Wikipedia
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