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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 
If you said 'under one genre label' then I might agree. I love albums that mix genres such as Far Corner's Risk (Rio and Symphonic) and likewise All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light. The idea that you have to ignore everything to be more progressive is something I reject. It's an idea not reality imo.
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The best Pink Floyd song ever is "Welcome to the Machine".

It's a great song as is Time, Breathe, Us and Them, Comfortably Numb, Dogs, Sheep, Run Like Hell, High Hopes and Wish You Were Here. I would say that if I have a favourite PF song for synths then it's Welcome To The Machine although that whole album is a Rick Wright masterclass. My 27 year old Nephew only discovered Floyd recently but he can't stop playing Dogs and telling me about it as if he's had an epiphany!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.
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The "worst" YES album still sounds better than the best Gentle Giant album. Geek


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

If that suppose to be an understanding of what Progressive Rock is, then it's surely a rather new one. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 
If you said 'under one genre label' then I might agree. I love albums that mix genres such as Far Corner's Risk (Rio and Symphonic) and likewise All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light. The idea that you have to ignore everything to be more progressive is something I reject. It's an idea not reality imo.
OK, fair point. Also with "avantgarde & experimental" to some extent, as far as this genre is inclusive to all kinds of stuff that refuses to play by any rules, rather than alluding to "sounding like old RIO school".
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

If that suppose to be an understanding of what Progressive Rock is, then it's surely a rather new one. 
It's not necessarily meant to be anything else than a hot take that makes some sense to me. Also note I said "progressive" rather than "prog rock".


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Rush & Gentle Giant are very good but not as great as sometimes they are made out to be.

Speaking of Gentle Giant, Giant for a Day is one of their best albums.

Larks Tounges in Aspic is not that great, there are better Crimson albums.


ELP are as great as the other bands in the "Big 6".

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Genesis - ATTW3 is a great album, a favorite of mine.

David Gilmour's second album About Face is underappreciated, deserves better. 


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
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  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre
  • Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre
  • Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped


I listened to a Supertramp album for the first time yesterday - Crime Of The Century - very nice!😊
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band


That is one hot take...I can feel the heat.   
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
Why just one album? It's such adventurous music. For instance, I would highly recommend this archival release by The Plastic People of the Universe from this year. Not "proggy prog," though.
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[QUOTE=AJ Junior]
  • Supertramp is a fully fledged Prog band Bogus I say
  • Camel's commercial phase was not that bad and had a lot of great albums and songs Camel never had a "commercial" phase
  • Every KC album between their debut an Larks' is mediocre Bogus
Yezda Urfa is one of the great underrated prog bands of all time and would've been 10x better than Gentle Giant if they had gotten the recognition they deserved I don't think anything stopped them from getting better acclaim; I think they were great and unique, but comparing them to another unique band is senseless - to use your criteria, GG are the obvious winner (imo, and I wouldn't go so far as to suggest x anything)
  • "YS" by Balleto Di Bronzo sounds weird and is extremely overhyped that was my take after half-assedly listening to it for the first time
All in all, I never thought I would disagree this much with every opinion withheld by a single poster (pretty contrarian, I might add). 

My advice (regardless if you live in that world or not): expand your boundaries because there is more to prog than the fairyland of AOR and anything remotely metal will tell you! 


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"Tormato" is the last great album of the Yes classic era.
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is.
Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
The Mothers of Invention, The Red Crayola, the Silver Apples, The United States of America, the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, early Canterbury scene, Henry Cow, Slapp Happy, Fripp & Eno, Can, Faust, Popol Vuh, The Plastic People of the Universe, Buldožer...

cool thanks ( think I own about the sum total 1 album of all the artists mentioned)
Why just one album? It's such adventurous music. For instance, I would highly recommend this archival release by The Plastic People of the Universe from this year. Not "proggy prog," though.




Actually more than one as I have about 3 albums by Zappa and the MOI and then the 'one' being Tago Mago (Can). I don't listen to them though. I'm not really into experimental or adventurous music I guess.
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

"Tormato" is the last great album of the Yes classic era.

It's not 'great' at all. I remember buying it as a teenager (it was just the latest Yes release at the time) and it took me about another 20 years to take them seriously. 
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