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Rush & Gentle Giant are very good but not as great as sometimes they are made out to be.

Speaking of Gentle Giant, Giant for a Day is one of their best albums.

Larks Tounges in Aspic is not that great, there are better Crimson albums.


ELP are as great as the other bands in the "Big 6".

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Let's see...


Genesis - ATTW3 is a great album, a favorite of mine.

David Gilmour's second album About Face is underappreciated, deserves better. 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

If that suppose to be an understanding of what Progressive Rock is, then it's surely a rather new one. 
It's not necessarily meant to be anything else than a hot take that makes some sense to me. Also note I said "progressive" rather than "prog rock".


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 
If you said 'under one genre label' then I might agree. I love albums that mix genres such as Far Corner's Risk (Rio and Symphonic) and likewise All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light. The idea that you have to ignore everything to be more progressive is something I reject. It's an idea not reality imo.
OK, fair point. Also with "avantgarde & experimental" to some extent, as far as this genre is inclusive to all kinds of stuff that refuses to play by any rules, rather than alluding to "sounding like old RIO school".
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

If that suppose to be an understanding of what Progressive Rock is, then it's surely a rather new one. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.

so how much of what was made 1969-1975 that is 'prog' would fall under that label do you reckon? (genuine question for everyone, I'm interested!)
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The "worst" YES album still sounds better than the best Gentle Giant album. Geek


Agreed.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 

Unless that genre label is something like: avantgarde, experimental et al.
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

The best Pink Floyd song ever is "Welcome to the Machine".

It's a great song as is Time, Breathe, Us and Them, Comfortably Numb, Dogs, Sheep, Run Like Hell, High Hopes and Wish You Were Here. I would say that if I have a favourite PF song for synths then it's Welcome To The Machine although that whole album is a Rick Wright masterclass. My 27 year old Nephew only discovered Floyd recently but he can't stop playing Dogs and telling me about it as if he's had an epiphany!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 
If you said 'under one genre label' then I might agree. I love albums that mix genres such as Far Corner's Risk (Rio and Symphonic) and likewise All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light. The idea that you have to ignore everything to be more progressive is something I reject. It's an idea not reality imo.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

PG's I/O album cover is dreadful!

I like it but then I was listening to the album (and staring at the artwork) quite drunk!
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^^ they must of really rubbed you the wrong way lol
I'm just not a fan of Derek Shulman whose cheese-grater voice is sort of like singing, but different somehow. Confused

Never thought I would hear Giant compared to a cheese-grater, but then I don't even know what a cheese-grater sounds like
Derek Shulman's voice to me is what a cheese-grater is to cheese. They both grate. Confused
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Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:


PG's I/O album cover is dreadful!


It is, but it's not quite as bad as 'Balls To The Wall' by Accept. Confused

Accept – Balls To The Wall (2002, CD) - Discogs


Isn't it from a Wham ' shooting session ?
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^^ that's a better album cover!
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

PG's I/O album cover is dreadful!

It is, but it's not quite as bad as 'Balls To The Wall' by Accept. Confused

Accept – Balls To The Wall (2002, CD) - Discogs
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^^ it's like his million $ camera filter could not decide what it wants to do - should his hand morph into his head or not?? Or they could not decide which looked better, so they decided to include both (hay ay ay) 
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PG's I/O album cover is dreadful!
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^^ they must of really rubbed you the wrong way lol
I'm just not a fan of Derek Shulman whose cheese-grater voice is sort of like singing, but different somehow. Confused

Never thought I would hear Giant compared to a cheese-grater, but then I don't even know what a cheese-grater sounds like
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

^^ they must of really rubbed you the wrong way lol
I'm just not a fan of Derek Shulman whose cheese-grater voice is sort of like singing, but different somehow. Confused
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^^ they must of really rubbed you the wrong way lol
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The easier it is to classify something under a genre label, the less progressive it actually is. 
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