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Zappastolethetowels 
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 16:11 |
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It's my favorite too. We played this last weekend. So good!
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Zappastolethetowels
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Supertramp are closer to ELO, APP, and the Moody Blues of the time than Prog. Prog live albums should not be counted as part of a studio discography! I find the run of Poseidon through Islands more engaging than the debut of KC. Rush and Dream Theater never made a timeless record (I hope I don't summon Big Sky  )Yes made nothing great post-Relayer. Canterbury prog is underrated and Camel are not Canterbury! ATOTT by Genesis is a snooze fest! Soft Machine's Fourth is their masterpiece! D. Allen's Gong was lame (with the exception of the first 2) You are hard pressed to find a M. Davis record you can sit through and thoroughly enjoy! I love J. Johnson though! Most Krautrock is aimless goofy noodling or just pathetic! 75, 77-79 were best periods for Tull's music! Edited by Zappastolethetowels - November 29 2023 at 16:27 |
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 16:49 |
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Keith Emerson's place in prog history was cemented when, as a youth, he was on date at a local fair and told the young lady he was with that he'd really like her to put her hand on his organ. But due the roar of the crowd she misheard and the next day she gave Keith a Hammond Organ.
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Lumenko
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Posted: November 29 2023 at 17:31 |
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Genesis were closer to APP, ELO and Supertramp than they were to prog (ELP and Yes). Song writing v instrumental based prog.Genesis were great song writers and so were Supertramp. I would even go as far as to say that Crime Of The Century is better than SEBTP. The live album thing only seems to happen with Pink Floyd Canterbury is a snooze fest as are Camel most of the time (prog's equivalent of elevator music) ATTWT actually has the 'balls' that a lot of Genesis lacks and no stupid tracks like The Battle Of Epping Forest thank god Soft Machine have a lot of noodling, even on PA no one really cares about them! No one really cares about Gong either Miles Davis is not prog (not a hot take) Krautrock - don't know why anyone listens to it (even Germans hate it mostly) Yeah right lol A few more of my own personal hot takes: Jazz fusion/jazz rock is not prog ''Prog'' does not equal progressive music ( and doesn't need to) Progressive music can happen in any genre, its not the prisoner of a few English seventies bands that in themselves didn't invent music Rush were as progressive as any band in the late seventies (but there was bugger all else!) Marillion were more interesting than Genesis (Forgotten Sons on its own is more interesting than the vast amount of even classic era Genesis) |
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Zappastolethetowels
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Later Genesis falls into that sphere, certainly not Selling... therefore you can't compare it to Crime... bc we're talking different styles of music. I don't think you gave Canterbury a fair shot - there is more out there beyond Caravan and the Softs. As for Camel, their career is too varied to be lumped into sounding like elevator music. Nobody on PA cares about the Softs and Gong - are you sure?? What's so funny about late 70's Tull? As for your takes... 1. really, doesn't make a difference to me in the least 2. that comes down to personal convenience - you can't change people 3. sure, but Prog Rock happened to be invented and excelled at by the British 4. Rush are still living off the fame and fortunes of being the first to extend repetitive riffage upon a broad synthetic canvas and then calling it prog metal. Hey look Alex, we are pioneers now! Just not long ago, we sounded like a garage band until a great manager decided he can make a load of a buck letting us play however we want!  5. Can't comment as I don't know Marillion well, but that in itself sounds highly unlikely. You can't just plainly dismiss those legendary 5 albums!  |
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I could argue Zeuhl and Krautrock aren't prog either. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - November 30 2023 at 02:29 |
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Progishness
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I would tetchily agree regarding Jazz Rock/Fusion and Zheul (the latter I have tried but just cannot get into at all), tho I think think there is a place for Krautrock here as most of us who grew up with 70's prog would have had a few Amon Duul II or Faust albums in our collections.
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With regards to Peter Hammill, I would like to see an opinion from "The Charismatic Voice" about this. I've considered suggesting him to her, but do not know what the most appropriate choice of song would be for her to analyse. But I am one who thinks that a great singer is one who exhibits great control over their voice, and it is clear to me that Peter Hammill's singing is incredibly nuanced. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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VDGG's album "Pawn Hearts" is a masterpiece, FIXED. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 05:42 |
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I don't think this is a "hot take". For me, a "hot take" is more like the album "Time Vaults" being one of my favourite VdGG albums. I did choose it as my avatar. Actually, it is really only the last four tracks on the CD that I love (in spite of the poor sound quality): Roncevaux, It All Went Up, Faint And Forsaken, Blackroom. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator are the three most overrated bands on ProgArchives.
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Frets N Worries
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 05:50 |
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I'd go with Pilgrims, Childlike Faith in Childhoods End, or The Sleepwalkers |
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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I actually don't agree. To me, the only justification for saying that Jazz fusion/jazz rock is not prog is that Jazz fusion/jazz rock is its own thing, with the view that prog is a small umbrella. Listening to something like "Imaginary Voyage", I hear the same sorts of things that I love that I do when listening to "Close to the Edge". In other words, I don't think there is a huge difference between Jazz fusion/jazz rock and Symphonic prog. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'm a fan of IQ, but I know exactly what you mean about Peter Nicholls irritating voice.
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As I see it, the only reason for not recommending "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" is its length (which is likely to be too long from her perspective). I think "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" has everything a Hammill fan would want, whereas no other tracks seem to have quite the range of expressiveness, as great as they are. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 30 2023 at 07:34 |
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The soundtrack to The Who's Tommy is better than the original album.
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Frets N Worries
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Oh 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' is amazing, that's why I didn't recommend it. Sadly, not everyone wants to listen to a track that long. I just recommended those other ones b/c they're shorter.
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