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Psychedelic Paul
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I feel exactly the same way about King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King & In the Wake of Poseidon are the only two King Crimson albums worth buying. You've tried to get into Gong, but have you tried Pierre Moerlen's Gong, which is a different sounding band entirely. Their Downwind album sounds like Mike Oldfield on steroids! 1979: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Downwind - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzB4Aa4nRT4SkEZTCAK28ce_
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richardh
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^ King Crimson were a 'project band' so basically Fripp plus anyone else who could put up with him. It might almost help to think of them as several bands. I like Red, Lizard and Power To Believe the most.
Gentle Giant is a 'prog badge' thing. Pay homage or hand in the badge. Yep not a very 'enjoyable' band, ultimate prog nerd band if ever there was! VDGG are a totally off the scale band. Probably the best composed crafted prog of the lot but you have to get past Hammill's vocals!
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Progishness
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The former and the latter I've tried several times over the years to get into but to no avail (the same goes for Gong). As for KC, have only ever really liked the albums with Greg Lake, i.e. ITCOTCK and ITWOP.
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"We're going to need a bigger swear jar."
Chloë Grace Moretz as Mindy McCready aka 'Hit Girl' in Kick-Ass 2 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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That's true, but I've only listened to the album twice so far.
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It’s nearly 5 years old!!! |
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Genesis - you can compare early Genesis to Supertramp , that's my point. Even Banks wasn't happy that Genesis were lumped in with the likes of ELP and Yes. Essentially Genesis were skilled song writers who knew how to extend songs. ELP and Yes were more 'technical'. I realise just how subjective this may be but my opinion is that SEBTP is not that far removed from Crime Of The Century, just a bit quirkier perhaps. Yes I would compare ATTWT with Breakfast In America. (love both) Probably true on Canterbury. I was 'fishing' a bit. My favourite album of the year is Zopp's Dominion and apparently they are Caravan 'clones'. Obviously I wouldn't know! Camel - I actually like The Snow Goose but if honestly they hadn't done that then I wouldn't care about them . I see them as a second generation prog band that added very little to what had come before. Don't see a lot of discussion about Gong and Soft Machine and I've been here a long time. Tull - it's the other way round. Aqualung and TAAB are exceptional albums, I just can't see any other period being better. Overall a great seventies band that didn't have any major peaks or troughs. Rush - back in the day (75-77) I really didn't like them and wasn't alone. Tom Sawyer literally changed my mind about them totally although I did get a bit bored with their late 80's very early 90's synth pop period when the seemingly wanted to be The Police. Came back to them in the 90's when they started developing a harder edge again and were writing songs that actually meant something to me at the time (no other bands were doing that for me) . I don't remember them ever being called 'Prog metal' and in general no one sees them that way I think. There have been a lot of discussions about even when 'Metal' started although I suspect that Rainbow are more important in that regards. Rush were essentially a band for nerds to enjoy especially in the late seventies when punk was happening. Marillion - bigging them up at the moment because themes they explored seem very relevant now and more than ever. I still like early Genesis but they get more and more dated by the minute. IMO.
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ Contrary to that, I really do believe Resistance is IQ's best album, at least until the novelty value of a new album wears off again.
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It’s freezing in South Wales too - coldest 10k I’ve ever run this morning!!!
OK, now I’ve read through the thread and put that silly argument to bed (😉), here’s one or two of these Hot Take things from me: The song Close To The Edge, by the British progressive rock band Yes, is really not very good. This links with the fact that: Steve Howe’s guitar sound is horrible - Trevor Rabin’s is far superior Awake ranks quite low in the DT discography (but not the worst!!) All eras of IQ rank as highly as each other, but: Resistance is IQ’s “worst” album Marillion’s Marbles is a long way from the masterpiece it is claimed to be by so many |
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Psychedelic Paul
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🥶Which reminds me, I'm wearing a woolly palaver today to keep warm. It's freezing here in Nottingham! |
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Frets N Worries
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Oh 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' is amazing, that's why I didn't recommend it. Sadly, not everyone wants to listen to a track that long. I just recommended those other ones b/c they're shorter.
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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omphaloskepsis
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The soundtrack to The Who's Tommy is better than the original album.
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As I see it, the only reason for not recommending "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" is its length (which is likely to be too long from her perspective). I think "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" has everything a Hammill fan would want, whereas no other tracks seem to have quite the range of expressiveness, as great as they are. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'm a fan of IQ, but I know exactly what you mean about Peter Nicholls irritating voice.
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I actually don't agree. To me, the only justification for saying that Jazz fusion/jazz rock is not prog is that Jazz fusion/jazz rock is its own thing, with the view that prog is a small umbrella. Listening to something like "Imaginary Voyage", I hear the same sorts of things that I love that I do when listening to "Close to the Edge". In other words, I don't think there is a huge difference between Jazz fusion/jazz rock and Symphonic prog. |
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Frets N Worries
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I'd go with Pilgrims, Childlike Faith in Childhoods End, or The Sleepwalkers |
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator are the three most overrated bands on ProgArchives.
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I don't think this is a "hot take". For me, a "hot take" is more like the album "Time Vaults" being one of my favourite VdGG albums. I did choose it as my avatar. Actually, it is really only the last four tracks on the CD that I love (in spite of the poor sound quality): Roncevaux, It All Went Up, Faint And Forsaken, Blackroom. |
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VDGG's album "Pawn Hearts" is a masterpiece, FIXED. |
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With regards to Peter Hammill, I would like to see an opinion from "The Charismatic Voice" about this. I've considered suggesting him to her, but do not know what the most appropriate choice of song would be for her to analyse. But I am one who thinks that a great singer is one who exhibits great control over their voice, and it is clear to me that Peter Hammill's singing is incredibly nuanced. |
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Progishness
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I would tetchily agree regarding Jazz Rock/Fusion and Zheul (the latter I have tried but just cannot get into at all), tho I think think there is a place for Krautrock here as most of us who grew up with 70's prog would have had a few Amon Duul II or Faust albums in our collections.
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"We're going to need a bigger swear jar."
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