October 2023 New Release Report - Progressive Rock Music Forum

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Sounds like pure ignorance to me. "shorter" = "pop"? That's about as wrong as to think that "longer" = "progressive".

Ian

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MikeEnRegalia wrote:

moshkito wrote:

I don't want to do "blurbs" because it is in line with "songs" and the obliteration of "progressive music" from its original days, by people that only like songs, not the music itself. To me, as an artist, a "blurb" would be insulting if my album was three pieces at 20 minutes each ... creating a blurb for Klaus Schulze, or Tangerine Dream (as examples) means ... you're not into it to listen ... just to hunt and peck as many rock reviewers did in the old days, and folks still do nowadays.

As an artist I'd rather get ten encouraging blurbs by well-meaning listeners than one meandering, self-praising review by a beligerent prog snob.

This is the world we live in, the multitude of blurbs are much more beneficial than the solo well written extensive review, c'est la vie.

Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

moshkito wrote:

I don't want to do "blurbs" because it is in line with "songs" and the obliteration of "progressive music" from its original days, by people that only like songs, not the music itself. To me, as an artist, a "blurb" would be insulting if my album was three pieces at 20 minutes each ... creating a blurb for Klaus Schulze, or Tangerine Dream (as examples) means ... you're not into it to listen ... just to hunt and peck as many rock reviewers did in the old days, and folks still do nowadays.

As an artist I'd rather get ten encouraging blurbs by well-meaning listeners than one meandering, self-praising review by a beligerent prog snob.

This is the world we live in, the multitude of blurbs are much more beneficial than the solo well written extensive review, c'est la vie.

I wouldn't go that far ... of course there are many well-written lengthy reviews as well. There's three levels of feedback - a rating, a short review (blurb, not possible at PA) and a lengthy review. I think that all three can be quite helpful, and ratings and blurbs are more useful for people looking for new music to listen to, while lengthy reviews can be quite interesting to read once you are more familiar with a release and want to know more about it.

Imagine a really long and detailed review for a release you have not listened to yet - wouldn't reading it spoil the fun of listening to it? I'd prefer having just a few vague pointers.

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^ Listening to Paul Dunmall now - your description was enough to pique my interest. https://awesomeprog.com/artists/22010

I think that both for blurbs and lengthy reviews it depends greatly on their content. A well written blurb will make you curious about the release precisely when there is a good chance that you will like it.

Consider this one for the Vamoosery release: "Great Art Rock with sophisticated female vocals and distinctly progressive elements throughout, especially in the second half of the album." These few details, combined with a high rating, might be all that is required for people to "risk" taking a listen, if they happen to be interested in female fronted art rock.

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moshkito wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Sounds like pure ignorance to me. "shorter" = "pop"? That's about as wrong as to think that "longer" = "progressive".

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HI,

Sad that you interpret it that way. There is a lot of short stuff that fits as "progressive" just like there is enough long material that is not "progressive". It is my preference not to review a lot of things that are mostly just songs, and lack the progressive idea per definition and description, but we made the call because of its sound, not the music!

Leave it to you to misinterpret the intent of the comment.

Please word it less ambiguously. Even in this reply you complain about "just songs", so what is it? Either short tracks can be progressive (which you also said and scorned me for misinterpreting you) or not (which you also hinted at).

Moshkito wrote:

However, I come from the artistic, literary style of the arts, and a lot of stuff that is out there is just a bunch of songs, that do not really add up to a "concept" or even to something that could be considered "progressive" ...

Wrong. What you are describing is merely one single aspect of what makes music "progressive". Sure, some prog epics are the epitome of prog, but even those are often comprised of shorter sections which could well be individual tracks.

Moshkito wrote:

length is not, indeed, the rule for "progressive" and should not be ... but the 3 minute cut should not be, either, especially as we are so fond of the solo and the format, which a short piece would lack ... thus not even "fitting" within the definition or description of what we consider "progressive".

The amount of cognitive dissonance is staggering. Make up your mind, will you?

Moshkito wrote:

I'm not "against" blurbs. It's just my preference to be more detailed if possible and not merely succumb to the internet fueled number of shorter comments that many times do not really add or say much of anything about the content. Within a "blurb" it is much easier to not say more, though some might not feel the need. But, yes, there are some blurbs that are really well written. No question on that!

Well, I'm glad to hear something that I can finally agree with. When I'm calling for more blurbs, rest assured that I have the well-written ones in mind. Smile

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