1980s' other Progressive Rock than Neo-Prog?

^ I suggest not getting too hung up about it. I've thought about revising that, which was written back in 2005, for a long time. It was agreed on before 2010 that not every band/artist mentioned in the Prog forums need be included in PA, but that the emphasis should be on ones that have been deemed Prog by the site. I think most recognise that being included in PA does not make an act or album Prog, and not being in PA does not mean that it is not. It is there partially to make things simpler for moderators because a lot of stuff IS put in the wrong forum, and then moving lots of topics is a hassle, and we don't always have time to check or know if something is Prog, or argue the case. While it may have been determined that common sense is not as common as once thought, nor as sensible perhaps, the general idea of to trying to use it is advisable, and a little compromise can make people generally happier.

That said, you can set the rules of your threads as you wish (within the general expectations of what is proper at PA), and I will deal with ones often that break certain rules (abuse), but one only has much control over ones own topics often or the people who post there. A thread you start does not belong to you and I think it helps to focus on that which you appreciate more than that which you don't (hopefully one would not wish to come across as the complaining type, better to be easy-going methinks). One suggestion I might like to add to the rules is, in different words, "Try to not to get too anal about things, and most of all, have fun!"

On a personal note, I tend to think of albums and songs as Prog more so than acts themselves per se as many acts will play a range of styles. Of course not being ale to tag albums is limitation of this site.

Have you tried the Progressive Ears board? I just wonder if it might satisfy you more.

And actually, I don't consider that Tears for Fears album to be Prog, but a kind of art pop-rock.

Maybe I'll present a list here of albums that I deem Progressive Rock enough after I have done the 80-84 part of my topic series. There will be Swans' Children of God, various Art Zoyd and Cardiacs albums, various RIO, Codona, Thinking Plague, This Heat etc. etc. I love the 80s, especially if one is not limited to Prog, but then I really love every decade from the 60s up and so none are weak for me. I think I become more of a "glass half full" kind of guy the older I get.

cstack3 wrote: David_D wrote: cstack3 wrote: I'm still on a Bob Fripp tear!   The album by the Roche sisters featured Bob Fripp and Tony Levin.  Fripp's guitar work on this song is sublime.  I find this music rarely acknowledged in prog land.  Sorry, 1979, oh well!  It doesn't look Prog to me, either.   Compared to what, exactly?  Did you listen to Fripp's guitar work in any of those clips?

Logan wrote: ^ I suggest not getting too hung up about it. I've thought about revising that, which was written back in 2005, for a long time. It was agreed on before 2010 that not every band/artist mentioned in the Prog forums need be included in PA, but that the emphasis should be on ones that have been deemed Prog by the site.

Edited by David_D - November 01 2023 at 06:12

^ Not to go from a Silly Puppy to a Snarky Puppy, but train wrecks and disasters generally get lots of views.

David, like it or not, what I described is the way things have worked for many years here, and a decision was made on this through an agreement with Admin before 2010. One issue with rules and guidelines is that they tend to be written as more black and white than is desirable because nuance is hard to get for some, some people will tend to bend the rules to the point of breaking them, give an inch and they'll take a mile sometimes, and subjectivity does come into play. Those original rules were ultimately agreed on and written by the select few, admin ratified, so one might say that the strongest ones decided everything.... Except that there have been discussions on site issue involving numerous people and suggestions have been welcomed as long as people are not trying to "force" the issues. We have not wanted this forum to become a free-for-all and at the same time we want to try to be accommodating and flexible to an extent.

I have received complaints about your behaviour, and I wanted to try to gently step in to explain things and suggest curbing your behaviour. Please stop harping on about it, and there was no need to bring it up cross topics. If you care about the perception of this forum, that does not help improve its look.

One of my favourite sentences in the Site Rules and Guidelines topic is "This is a very relaxed and inclusive forum. These rules and guidelines are intended to help you to get the most out of it. We hope you will enjoy your time with us."

Logan wrote: Have you tried the Progressive Ears board? I just wonder if it might satisfy you more.

Did anyone mention Tribute yet? Very good Swedish band from that decade. They were in the symph direction but not neo.

Both great

^Yeah, PA would be less interesting without you, David. Also, I was banned from PE, so it's no longer of interest to me.

Logan wrote: While I like lots of albums I deem Prog from the 80s, I will highlight just two now: Eskaton's 4 Visions and Jean-Paul Prat's Masal. Masal remains an underrecognised/ underheard Prog album, imo, that is awesome.