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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45603 |
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Prog-related at best, if only for the Nektar connection. Rejected for crossover. And that should say a lot... ![]() |
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7031 |
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I've 'bumped' this topic in the JR/F team thread, since it's been a while since there were any visible developments. The state of play as of June 2024 was two 'move' votes and one 'no'. The 'moves' would ideally have been to Crossover, but the JR/F team was aware of the previous rejection there, so one team member suggested Eclectic as a last resort, and the other said that the album was a mix of soft rock, a bit of jazz plus a bit of prog, and that Prog Related seemed to be more appropriate.
'The Follies of Rupert Treacle' is tagged on RYM as Progressive Rock, Proggnosis have him (as Prog Uncategorized), and listening now, to me the album does sound as though it belongs here (again, ideally in Crossover Prog). For what it's worth the album is included on our page for Nektar's 'Book of Days' as the bonus disc from the 2020 deluxe edition. Previous Crossover team comments included things like: "A tough call indeed. My vote is UNSURE, tend to NO", "NO (I could be convinced to move to Prog Related - not sure it meets qualifications)" and: "I tend to go "no" as well", so although it looks like an out and out rejection with all three team members voting 'no', they weren't strong 'no' votes, and if all else fails I'd be tempted to throw this back to the Crossover team for a reconsideration (though all three Crossover team members would need to vote 'yes' if that were to happen). I'd be surprised if Roye Albrighton would be considered by our admins to meet the criteria for inclusion in Prog Related, and in any case it would need a Special Collaborator to step up to the plate, put together a convincing case in support of his inclusion, and then present it to the admins in order for the proposal to be even considered.
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Thanks for the update!
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Mirakaze ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl Joined: December 17 2019 Location: (redacted) Status: Online Points: 4227 |
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He's still under evaluation for Jazz Rock/Fusion. Unfortunately our team has been rather overburdened and understaffed for some time which is why it's taking so long. Please stay tuned!
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Are there any updates on this addition?
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18058 |
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Hi,
Not sure this album fits as "progressive" ... in the end, it is just magnificent material that is really pretty and the guitar work is outstanding. it could, easily, fit into some label like "Easy Listening", but it's creativity and design is far more than a simple tune, and the work, is, indeed, exceptional, when one considers the incredible number of copy bands that get added along just to keep up with all the Joe's out there! The funny thing is not hearing Roye ... he was such an incredible, and expressive, singer who obviously believed his material and worked it into a perfection that you're not going to find easily. In this particular album, Roye doesn't sing, and we're left to simply enjoy a guitar ... and it's not thrashing, but it certainly tears up the work ... but it also shows the material that he might have been hoping NEKTAR could take on, but was obviously out voted. I was thinking that there should be a spot/area for artists like this ... they are already in the progressive realms, but another side of them, which might have been a look at a future (as an example) is all of a sudden not as important as the previous work. I find this a very logical and nice step for Nektar and if I was in that band, I would even consider doing some of this stuff in concert. You can also see some of the bass work that Roye might have wanted to try, which Mo was not able to do it, or learned as yet. Oh well ... life ... it all goes to dust sooner or later! Rupert Treacle ... I tip my hat ... you deserve it! PS: Not sure I would call this "jazz-rock" fusion ... it is, like NEKTAR much more rock-rock fusion than it is something with jazz thoughts in it. From day 1, Roye and Nektar were a lot more about "rock" than anything else. It's the day in the life of a preacher, and it is an odyssey ... to dust and a grave, sadly enough. This album deserves more, but it likely won't be accepted because it doesn't sound like all the other stuff already added to the library of lists.
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After relistening to the album today I can see the album's jazz rock/fusion influences. There are several moments that come together to shape the essence of a jazz-inspired release. ![]() |
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A bit of background info for newer members here: The PSIKE team was created in late 2014, when admins agreed that some genre teams who had a lower volume would benefit from being merged with other low volume teams of the same style. Post Rock and Math Rock were merged to a single team managing the Post Rock/Math Rock sub genre, and Psych/Space Rock, Indo Prog/Raga Rock, Krautrock, and Prog Electronic were merged into a single team after the departure of Philippe, a collaborator who had managed the Indo/Krautrock team and the Prog Electronic team for quite some time. As far as the creation of PSIKE was concerned, the original teams had low membership and relatively small volume, and the styles of the four sub genres are all relatively similar. While not as connected as Post Rock and Math Rock, they exist in the more psychedelic sphere of prog rock, and therefore it was not difficult to envisage the teams responsible for them working as a single unit.
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I thought it was just an XTREME KraZy spelling of psyche(delic). But now I learned it also has a hidden meaning!
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^ Psychedelic Indo-Raga Krautrock Electronic
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Okay, thanks.
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It's the collab team that evaluates the psych, krautrock, electronic, and raga suggestions for the site. But hey, maybe the name came from the place in Istanbul
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Excuse me for being ignorant, but what's PSIKE? I looked it up on Google and it said PSIKE is in Istanbul, although I'm sure that can't be right.
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7031 |
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![]() Listening to the album now on spotify, and it certainly has some quite mellow jazzy textures in places on most of the tracks, but whether that's enough to get him the nod in JR/F remains to be seen. It certainly sounds like a progressive rock album of some form or another to these ears, though a difficult collection of music to assign to any one sub genre. He's on Proggnosis as 'Prog (Uncategorized)'. Edit: Another band that Roye Albrighton featured briefly in was Snowball, a German based multinational outfit that we have on the site in JR/F, and whose first album 'Defroster' he contributed guitar and vocals to. It sounds quite similar overall in terms of both style and jazz content to 'The Follies Of Rupert Treacle', so maybe there is hope yet...
Edited by yam yam - October 26 2023 at 14:30 |
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Thanks for the updates. Please let me know if you require any further information concerning Roye Albrighton.
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We have Roye Albrighton on the jazz rock/fusion chart for evaluation, so I'm assuming that's where PSIKE moved him to (although I'm on that team as well, and don't seem to remember that happening). I'll have the team give him a listen, but personally speaking, I think he would have been a better fit for crossover.
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7031 |
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Yes, and I think you'll find that my first post above answered that inquiry for you - giving you a copy of the votes that the PSIKE team cast (which were all 'move' to another subgenre) and the link to that team's chart history on AwesomeProg (where the PSIKE team is still referred to as psych). I suggested that this 'move' decision by the PSIKE team would most likely have been to Crossover, to which Cristi responded that they'd already been rejected there. I therefore posted the details of the Crossover evaluation here as well to show that the evaluation by them was only carried out a few months earlier than the one by the PSIKE team, and that the rejection in Crossover was a pretty strong one.
I hope that clears things up for you.
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I appreciate the update, but I was inquiring about Roye Albrighton's acceptance or lack there of within the Psychedelic/Space Rock genre. I had already been informed that he wasn't accepted into the Crossover Prog category.
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yam yam ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Offline Points: 7031 |
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Yes, and there haven't been any new albums as far as I know, so that's going to be the end of it for now.
See previous suggestion here: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130729. And the rejection in Crossover was quite a resounding one: https://awesomeprog.com/pa/chart/crossover_prog (scroll down the page a short distance): Roye Albrighton: Rejected No3: Cristi_3rd, DamoXt7942 and progaardvark History: 7 months ago Cristi_3rd set section to New. 7 months ago Cristi_3rd voted Time. 7 months ago DamoXt7942 voted Unsure. 7 months ago progaardvark voted No. 7 months ago Cristi_3rd voted No. 7 months ago DamoXt7942 voted No. 7 months ago DamoXt7942 set section to Rejected. Edit: He died in July 2016, so I guess there is unlikely to be anything new from him to allow a re-evaluation to take place. Edited by yam yam - October 26 2023 at 06:28 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45603 |
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The crossover team rejected this artist.
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