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A big topic......For me being here in 'Merica, I felt that was a main reason I did not get to see some bands, but as well my age and not getting into music till around 1974 being about 10yrs old. Then progressive music coming later, probably with Rush then Genesis, Tull and Pink Floyd. Other than Rush I've not seen the others. I would have loved to see CAN, Tull, PF and Genesis in those glory years.....

I'm satisfied with the concerts on YouTube. What I do have that gets me very close to the musical feelings of back then is my records that were made in the 70's. I can sit back and and get immersed in what's coming out of the grooves, and I can envision what was going on in the studio.


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Seventies prog was very UK centric it seems although I'm still only beginning to appreciate just how good the Italian bands were. I only liked ELP in the seventies and found most prog stuff to be pretty boring at the time. Funny thing is that when I look at old clips even of of ELP and other bands it's mostly not very interesting. All these old Genesis videos of the Peter Gabriel era that keep surfacing don't make me think I would want to go back and watch them live If I could. ELP could be great but tended to over noodle. The Yessongs video looks like it was filmed in a cave! I suspect when it comes down to it nostalgia is not what it used to be.
I was very glad to see a lot of legendary bands play my home town Swindon back in the late 90's and early to mid 00's. I've seen Colosseum, Leslie West, Mountain, Focus, Wishbone Ash, Steve Howe, The Carl Palmer Band and Jan Akkerman there , 150 paying customers fully treated. Those give me great memories. I don't feel I've missed out that much. There are still great new bands and Big Big Train are an absolute treat to see live. The new line up is going to be very exciting so don't miss out if you want to see these guys and have a chance to see them.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I, for one, welcome youth in prog! 

I don't want prog to devolve into something like, well, barbershop-quartet music or other archaic art form!  (mind you, I've sung a bit of barbershop, it can be jolly good fun, but its time has come and gone). 

There is some amazing young talent emerging....Gabriel Severn is becoming a jazz-rock bass guitar master, Justin Lee Schulz is an amazing multi-instrumentalist, Rachel Flowers always amazes, and so forth.  

 Sometimes you have to dig around to find musicians who create music in your area of interest, which is why I enjoy PA so much!!  I've never seen such global talent in music appreciation as with this group!  

I agree! PA has allowed me access to bands, albums, and musics I never knew existed on a global scale instead of the narrow-visioned Anglo-world I grew up in. The "Classic Era" was great, but I LOVE seeing and hearing the musics from Italy, Australia, Indonesia, Japan, Poland, and South America that I was never exposed to in the 1970s. Plus musicians and music continues to evolve--which is as it should be! Honor and enjoy Josquin Des Prez, Telemann, Fauré, Janácek, Rachmaninoff, Usted Ali Akbar Khan, Miles Davis, John McLaughlin, Hamza El Din, Nina Hagen, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dave Stewart, Allan Holdsworth, Andy Partridge, Trevor Horn, David Sylvian, Steven Wilson, Antônio Carlos Jobim, Ketil Vestrum Einarsen, Pierre Wawrzyniak, Dewa Budjana, Julia Holter, the Coniguliaro Brothers, and whomever you like! It's all for you!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2023 at 19:52
I, for one, welcome youth in prog! 

I don't want prog to devolve into something like, well, barbershop-quartet music or other archaic art form!  (mind you, I've sung a bit of barbershop, it can be jolly good fun, but its time has come and gone). 

There is some amazing young talent emerging....Gabriel Severn is becoming a jazz-rock bass guitar master, Justin Lee Schulz is an amazing multi-instrumentalist, Rachel Flowers always amazes, and so forth.  

 Sometimes you have to dig around to find musicians who create music in your area of interest, which is why I enjoy PA so much!!  I've never seen such global talent in music appreciation as with this group!  
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^Young is opinionated it seems LOL

Or perhaps subjective is a better term
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^Young is opinionated it seems LOL
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Digital is free? Does bandcamp know this? Lol.

I listen to music on youtube but it's not part of my "serious" listening. I'm a cd guy. I may return to vinyl one day. Nothing against spotify. I have that too but it's on my mother's account and don't listen to it much. 

Anyway, some of these responses are amusing to me. In some ways you could say anyone under 60 is young in prog circles or if they are too young to have been into it during the first wave (70s) which would be the case for me. Tongue 

Well... free on YouTube and Spotify at least. 

For me, 'Young' in prog circles means under 30. which means I'm a little baby


Nah, young is under 60. LOL

Or if you want to say they first got into prog in the 2000s or later then ok but in my mind it's anyone who was too young to be into it in the 70s. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I'm entitled to my reality however delusional it might appear. Tongue 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Digital is free? Does bandcamp know this? Lol.

I listen to music on youtube but it's not part of my "serious" listening. I'm a cd guy. I may return to vinyl one day. Nothing against spotify. I have that too but it's on my mother's account and don't listen to it much. 

Anyway, some of these responses are amusing to me. In some ways you could say anyone under 60 is young in prog circles or if they are too young to have been into it during the first wave (70s) which would be the case for me. Tongue 

Well... free on YouTube and Spotify at least. 

For me, 'Young' in prog circles means under 30. which means I'm a little baby
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Digital is free? Does bandcamp know this? Lol.

I listen to music on youtube but it's not part of my "serious" listening. I'm a cd guy. I may return to vinyl one day. Nothing against spotify. I have that too but it's on my mother's account and don't listen to it much. 

Anyway, some of these responses are amusing to me. In some ways you could say anyone under 60 is young in prog circles or if they are too young to have been into it during the first wave (70s) which would be the case for me. Tongue 
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^I mostly listen to Digital (It's FREE) but I love collecting records, I've got a few CDs, but I'll just make CDs if I like an album, which isn't illegal technically since it's personal use and I'm not selling them. 
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How many of you younger folks buy physical copies of the music you listen to (whether it be cds or vinyl)? Just curious. I would think with younger prog fans there would be more than with younger non prog music fans but I don't know for sure.

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^I've looked for artists, perhaps I should dig deeper

Hackett toured kinda near me, i REALLY wanted to see it, sadly i was busy that day, and it was something i couldn't really cancel. 

YouTube is an amazing resource. I agree

(P.S. Love 'The Grasshopper' Reference)


Edited by Frets N Worries - October 22 2023 at 16:36
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Worry not, Grasshopper!!  

I was born in 1955, and saw Yes on their Close to the Edge tour (July 1972), Jethro Tull with Thick as a Brick (October 1972), King Crimson on LTIA tour (April 1973) and so forth.  They were amazing experiences! 

Fortunately, in the 21st century, we have ways to go back in time! 

a) YouTube - I saw this Genesis broadcast on the day it happened, and I was hooked!! 



b) Tribute Bands - if you haven't seen a good prog tribute band, seek one out!   I love Canada's "The Musical Box" and have seen their Foxtrot, SEBTP and Lamb shows!  Amazing stuff!! 


c)  musicians themselves!  By all means, seek out whomever is touring, such as Steve Hackett! 


And, don't discount some of the new, upcoming artists who compose & perform in the manner we enjoy!  I am always finding new acts to learn about! 

Enjoy the trip, Charles! 
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^For me, 'Awaken' was a swan song, their last hoorah of long form prog epics (for a good long while at least) before switching to shorter songs. 

Since I'm on the young side, it's cool to discover all these new bands for myself and find forums like PA where I can learn about such music. Taking it all in is a lot, rewarding, but a lot. 

I'd love to see some of these new bands in concert, but I don't have time/money to drive to see them, they never come anywhere near where I live which is a shame.

I know some of the more modern stuff, since many of my friends listen to it, lots of Indie. You can hear various influences, a great number of Hip Hop artists are massive prog fans. Take Ye's 'Power' he samples '21st Century Schizoid Man' I'm sure that is the first time they've heard that, and it's crazy to think they have no idea that it's from a much different song. 

Since discovering Prog last year, my life has changed, and making and listening to music has helped me a lot, for the better. So again, not born in the wrong generation, perhaps I just wish there were more HQ concert films from that time LOL

^BTW, most kids these days are focused on pop/rap artists, some poppy and dark R&B type stuff. And LOTS of country-pop. I can't think of a single person I know that loves Green Day, maybe a friend of a friend, and that was only once
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I suppose I used to sort of feel that way. I used to think of Drama as the last stab at prog for Yes and imagine them sitting around a table and saying something like "ok this is it. After this we all go do the pop thing." Maybe Rush had a similar conversation during the recording of Moving Pictures. But the thing is in the late 70s and very early 80s neo prog was just around the corner. Did it save prog? Maybe but save it from what? It didn't really die it just disappeared from the mainstream. 

I also used to think I was born in the wrong decade. It seemed like I got into prog at the wrong time (I'm 53 and so I discovered it and got into it in the mid 80s). But now I wish I was young or younger because getting old is no fun. Lol. I think I once saw a t- shirt that said something like "I may be old but I got to see all the cool bands." I doubt younger folks think that way though and probably think Green Day is way better than Led Zeppelin. It's all about perspective.


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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

But why would anyone 'dig' an artist if not BECAUSE of the music they make?
I suppose there are talented performers who don't produce their own, or maybe even very good, music. Is that what you meant? Lots of musical gymnastics without any real substance.

We're living in a culture with much worshipping of famous persons not least because they're famous, and that can be difficult to avoid.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can't say, I'm a younger Prog aficionado, but I haven't seen the classic Prog artists perform, either. Nevertherless, I don't miss it, as when listening to the classic albums, I can better experience the MUSIC as of a special, magic world in that way. I hope we agree that music is more important than the artists themselvesSmile
NO, I can't agree with that at all. Without the artists there is no music. They are THE most important because it is their creation ! Can we all agree on that?

I'm not sure you've got my point there, JD. Or to be sure it's clear, I was opposing digging the artists themselves more than the music they create.
But why would anyone 'dig' an artist if not BECAUSE of the music they make?
I suppose there are talented performers who don't produce their own, or maybe even very good, music. Is that what you meant? Lots of musical gymnastics without any real substance.
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Born in 76. The year of 2112, Trick of the Tail, Romantic Warrior, etc. I started to get into music at a very young age. I can remember hearing certain songs and liking them at about 2 years old. By kindergarten and first grade I was really getting into music. Bands like Toto, Journey, Asia, etc come to mind. Heard Plenty of Yes and Genesis in the 80’s and had a more ‘meh opinion of them. I really liked what Tears for Fears were doing as they were better at Progressive Pop than what the 70’s UK Prog giants were doing in the 80’s. Tears for Fears got me into listening to better music as I found myself wanting something better and was fed up with all the silly corporate Pop and Hair Metal. I also liked Iron Maiden with the operatic vocals and more challenging and complex guitar work.

In my teen years I got more into Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, and some other Prog related stuff. Prog Metal was really hitting its peak going into the early nineties. My cousin introduced me to Operation Mindcrime and I was hooked and blown away. Then I discovered Dream Theater and my life changed. I really started to love and appreciate King Crimson and 70’s Genesis. I really started to appreciate Rush at this age also. Became obsessed with Prog in my 20’s to where it became my favorite music.

I loved the 70’s more than anything Prog but still enjoyed Prog Metal. I probably had sediments similar to yours for quite some time. The 70’s were really special. I was obsessed with 70’s Genesis and was irritated by what happened to them in the 80’s and 90’s.

After Porcupine Tree took a long break a lot of really great bands started to emerge. Big Big Train was one of them. I started to buy a lot of modern Prog and was not disappointed. I have more modern Prog in my collection now than 70’s Prog. Never thought it could ever be possible. I feel like I missed out on a lot of stuff I ignored previously.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can't say, I'm a younger Prog aficionado, but I haven't seen the classic Prog artists perform, either. Nevertherless, I don't miss it, as when listening to the classic albums, I can better experience the MUSIC as of a special, magic world in that way. I hope we agree that music is more important than the artists themselvesSmile
NO, I can't agree with that at all. Without the artists there is no music. They are THE most important because it is their creation ! Can we all agree on that?

I'm not sure you've got my point there, JD. Or to be sure it's clear, I was opposing digging the artists themselves more than the music they create.

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I was driving through the mountains, and decided to put on Close to the Edge (This was Today, after my last post) I finally understand what the song is all about. Seeing the valley and mountains and all the life... THATS what the song is all about. It made me think of this thread, I can put in headphones (I wasn't driving, since driving with headphones on is illegal, at least where I live) it made me realize that you couldn't do this in the 70s or 80s, sure, you had cassettes, but nowadays listening with headphones in a car is nicer, and higher audio quality, you can hear all the little details. It's Beautiful. I wasn't born in the wrong generation, I'm happy I get to discover all this old music and all the music it inspired. I just wish I had gotten to see Yes or Genesis in their Hayday
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