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    Posted: October 21 2023 at 22:31
Whenever I listen to late 70s prog, a sense of sadness comes over me, because I know the classic era of prog is almost over. I don't exactly feel like I was "born in the wrong generation". But I feel wistful, knowing I'll never get to see any of my favorite bands perform, at least not in their prime. Something like a medieval peasant looking at the ruins of ancient Rome. I think late 70s prog, especially Genesis from this period, has a sort of sadness to it anyway but it could be my bias.
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^Hello, Young prog fan here, my line to my dad is, 'you were born to see all the cool bands play and release music, I was born just in time to watch them get old and die' 

NOT to say there isn't great music being made now, but the greatest prog was made in the 70s. (Just look at the top albums list) 
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I was born in 1996 so I'm de facto a Gen Z-er. I was not around yet when the classic era of prog happened. I got to know the music thanks to the internet actually. But still, the 70's sound itself, that is the unmistakable never again replicated drum sound, the analog keyboards, the specific mixing techniques all give me an acquired nostalgia after all. It's not a real nostalgia, but for some reason that music connects with my deepest feelings like nothing else.
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The classic era of prog is "almost over" ?   It's been over since 1981.   You, Billy, of all people should know that.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

... but the greatest prog was made in the 70s. (Just look at the top albums list) 
Your wrong. Just because something is popular does not mean it's better.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The classic era of prog is "almost over" ?   It's been over since 1981.   You, Billy, of all people should know that.

Pretty sure you read that wrong, unless you were just joking LOL
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I’m 52 but feel like a younger prog fan on here….

In answer to the question, NO! I don’t feel like that at all!! Although I enjoy a lot of the 70s prog it’s not that important to me and there is SO much great prog that came after and is still coming😎😎😎
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I'm stuck between baby boomers and the Gen X (not Z) generation. I was 14 in 77, but fortunately, I started early (age 11 in 74) both prog and rock, so I caught the tail end of the golden era.

However, one of my biggest sores is not to have been born 10 years sooner, so I could've been ready in 67 (at 14 instad of 4), rather than 77. Hey, who knows if I'd been precocious, I'd have opened to music & I might've even lived through modal jazz era and enjoyed it.

And if I'd been born 10 years sooner, I'd also be retired now instead of slaving away for another 5 years to come.


Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

... but the greatest prog was made in the 70s. (Just look at the top albums list) 
Your wrong. Just because something is popular does not mean it's better.


Nope, you is wrong Tongue

Without the 70's prog pioneers, there wouldn't be "modern prog"Tongue
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Without the 70's prog pioneers, there wouldn't be "modern prog"
OK, so what does that have to do with Frets statement that "the greatest prog was made in the 70's"?
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^I understand it's an opiniated question, it's the mixing, the lyrics, the vocals. Nothing I've heard released by a modern band has been as good. The New stuff is fantastic, I love it, it's just not quite as good
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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:

Whenever I listen to late 70s prog, a sense of sadness comes over me, because I know the classic era of prog is almost over. I don't exactly feel like I was "born in the wrong generation". But I feel wistful, knowing I'll never get to see any of my favorite bands perform, at least not in their prime. Something like a medieval peasant looking at the ruins of ancient Rome. I think late 70s prog, especially Genesis from this period, has a sort of sadness to it anyway but it could be my bias.

Hi,

This is tough, but one of the issues with a lot of art.

Do you say the same thing about Mozart? Beethoven? Stravinsky? Shakespeare?

The answer is NO.

The "history" of the arts is full of "movements" that created a lot of art, and what became known as "progressive" was one of them ... if you appreciate them as the artistic greatness that they had, then, you have nothing to worry about, and "seeing them" is not necessary ... appreciating the great work is!

You grow into that as you get older. I never had the chance to see Vangelis, Peter Hammill, Amon Duul 2 or even Mike Oldfield ... but it does not diminish my appreciation for the beauty in their work. And this is the most important side of it all, not the fan idea that you have to see and touch in order to "understand" and "remember" ... or worse, to get a stupid piece of the pig!!! ... something which is more of a media thing than it is anything having to do with the art, although we always find that there is something that the live music also offers ... but if you can't feel that when you see the video, you are not listening, and neither are you "feeling" ... things right.

I can not watch a bunch of the Tangerine Dream videos anymore, since so many of them have moments that make me cry, for the beauty of the music and its interpretation, which changed so much with time ... and their version since EF left us for a new universe, does not have that feeling ... something that "lives" and you "feel it". The same goes for others, however this is reserved to a few of the folks whose strength and touch is beyond the ordinary. 

To me, that is the only important thing ... stop thinking that some of these bands were Gods ... they were folks like you and I. Heck, I didn't make it to Haight-Ashbury, or to the Fillmore ... but a lot of the music that has (FINALLY) shown up in concerts, has given me a tear or two of appreciation ... and even seeing a special on the tube about Janis ... made me cry ... 

Validating your seeing them ... is not THE TRUTH ... or the end of the world. Your FEELING it, is!


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Hi,

One more comment ... a very tough one ... 

DON'T BE A SLAVE TO THE MACHINE! 

Be free and appreciate all the arts and all the works over millennia ... instead of being stuck in time. There are many other periods just as important ... with one issue that I see ... you mention the bands and you fail to mention all the arts around it, that helped those bands develop ... and that is a sign of being influenced by the machine a lot more than the artistic appreciation for the time and its arts and folks.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^I understand it's an opiniated question, it's the mixing, the lyrics, the vocals. Nothing I've heard released by a modern band has been as good. The New stuff is fantastic, I love it, it's just not quite as good
I was a teenager in the 70's and I like the new stuff better. It's all good... we like what we like. There's enough variety for everyone.

The mixing and recording of albums back in the day was done on tape. Maybe you prefer analog to digital?
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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:

Whenever I listen to late 70s prog, a sense of sadness comes over me, because I know the classic era of prog is almost over. I don't exactly feel like I was "born in the wrong generation". But I feel wistful, knowing I'll never get to see any of my favorite bands perform, at least not in their prime. Something like a medieval peasant looking at the ruins of ancient Rome. I think late 70s prog, especially Genesis from this period, has a sort of sadness to it anyway but it could be my bias.
Funny to read the responses and what people picked up on in the OP. See above for what I thought his main issues was.

My answer is that there are quite a number of concert videos out there that, while obviously not the same experience as an actual live attendance, are great archives of the performances and music of the by-gone era you seem to seek out. Being able to watch them on a big screen TV and not a phone or tablet makes a world of difference.
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^As always, excellent response JD. The only thing a concert video is missing compared to a live attendance, is the smell of weed and having some drunk spill liquid or vomit on you. And you'll see the band better on the video.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^As always, excellent response JD. The only thing a concert video is missing compared to a live attendance, is the smell of weed and having some drunk spill liquid or vomit on you. And you'll see the band better on the video.

Or have a couple of yahoos get in a fist fight in the aisle right next to your seat
Or have jerks standing where they shouldn't be standing, blocking your view
Or have to wait an hour or two to actually get your car out of the parking lot after the show.

At one concert in the 80s, there was a woman asleep two seats in front of me. Why was she asleep? because she was plastered and passed out. Yeah, that's what you want. Go to a concert stupid drunk, pass out, and miss most of the concert. Idiots
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I can't say, I'm a younger Prog aficionado, but I haven't seen the classic Prog artists perform, either. Nevertherless, I don't 
miss it, as when listening to the classic albums, I can better experience the MUSIC as of a special, magic world in that way.
I hope we agree that music is more important than the artists themselves. Smile







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I can still collect records, and listen to music digitally. Which Is a huge bonus. I'm conflicted, in the sense that it's a HUGE bonus that it's a lot easier to release and find music. I also LPVE live music. So I'm sad I never got to see a lot of my favorite bands live, but I'm glad I can experience them now.
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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:

Whenever I listen to late 70s prog, a sense of sadness comes over me, because I know the classic era of prog is almost over. I don't exactly feel like I was "born in the wrong generation". But I feel wistful, knowing I'll never get to see any of my favorite bands perform, at least not in their prime. Something like a medieval peasant looking at the ruins of ancient Rome. I think late 70s prog, especially Genesis from this period, has a sort of sadness to it anyway but it could be my bias.

Honestly, I never get see any decent prog artists anymore.  Even modern ones!  Living on the west coast of the US, there's an absence of any kind of concert scene that I can find.  I know Hackett and Kansas just came through here, but that was an anomaly.

We used to have Baja Prog, Cal Prog(with the occasional related show), Progfest, Progwest... That was just in SoCal!  Now, I find out about single concerts here and there that I would have liked to see a few weeks late! When they even happen.

For this reason alone, I would love to live on the East coast(or better, Great Britain).  I would be a retired concert junkee!
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I’d love to see more of the old bands, but I don’t go much to concerts anymore and don’t mind missing out. I’ve seen Yes and Roger Waters, which is better than nothing. The only band I wish I’d gotten to see was Rush, but there’s always DVDs. Living in Norway makes it more of an effort and investment to watch some bands.

The advantage to being born later is that you get to experience more music in the present that is inspired by the old bands. I listen to more recent music than old. The music from the 70’s is finite, while current music is limitless.
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