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    Posted: October 01 2023 at 13:31
Hey guys!

I just want to let any of our Magazine/Webzine Publishers/Editors know that I am looking for a part-time "job" opportunity at the moment to balance with school. I study journalism and would call writing my greatest skill or asset. 

If anybody here works for or owns a publication with an emphasis on progressive music, I would be happy to acquire a position somewhere along the lines of Columnist/Editor in Chief/Reviewer, you name it - as long as writing is the focus! 

I would be happy to offer a "prototype" of any sort for you to get a preconceived notion of my abilities and knowledge. I am willing to start with minimal pay and then gradually take it from there! 

I will be taking any offers! 

For any inquiries, please see below... or just post in the discussion Smile

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Hi,

Nowadays, this is tough ... and with the corporatization of the media, things are even tougher.

In the old days, there were a lot of extra publications, and many different "magazines" and they all wrote a lot, specially about the "new" music that became known as "progressive". It really helped and it is hard not to remember Archie Patterson and his Eurock -- I've tried to do an interview with Archie for PA, but he is not keen on publicity per se, and is very "independent". But his monster book of all his "magazines" is the best HISTORY OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC there is ... and sadly ... no one else here even cares to go look at it. It's so intense at times, that reading Richard Pinhas philosophies that drove his music are ... really difficult to even come close to understanding it  ... but there it is ... intelligence in the area that we know as "progressive music", but, instead, we stick to the top this and that and some really cheap stuff that is considered "progressive". The only sad thing in his magazine is watching/reading one band try really hard ... and get nowhere and there were a few for sure.

There was also "Gibraltar" and I think I wrote a couple of things for them on Nektar, if I remember this correctly. 

There likely were a lot more, that I can not remember, and these go back a lot of years. 

As far as I would recommend, a place like PA, or one of the other websites for this music would be a nice place, however, I'm not sure that PA is interested in "writers" ... per se ... or someone might at the very least ask me a question or two, considering my record of foreign film reviews and music reviews ... which I tend to not post here ... as the appreciation for the quality of the material is, to me, a bit on the sub par level, and I don't mean that by saying that they are bad, but too many of them are fan write ups and not about the music, and here is where PA is hurting a bit in "reviews" ... too many of them are SINGLES that were in the albums ... why review The Doors "Light My Fire" in the short version? It's very sad and it shows/states, that this is not about "the art" itself (in my book) but about the number of listings in releases by any band ... and let me tell you, the number of singles is ridiculous and out of line and should be removed to a separate listing from the main reviews ... it diminishes the albums!

I guess that I look at these things as an artist, and I like the complete concept, not the commercial sides of it, since they are not always representative of the complete side of the artist which most albums represent, and the singles don't ... gosh ... not another PG single, or another SW single ... I have to go to the loo!

Good luck ... these days, with "groups" of folks into their own thing, like PA, the chance to get added to the group is very small ... very small and I find that .. kinda sad as new blood often brings new bands and new ideas ... which I would like to see more.
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Hey Mosh,

Thanks for the long-winded answer because I found it very interesting to read. I also found nothing that we can disagree on! Big smile

As far as the state of the market and the media, I am very well aware of it all. I still have people telling me stuff like "why don't you try this or that with this kind of music that you enjoy?" and I'm like yeah yeah I know though it may be difficult and so on. As hard and adverse as it may be, I am still willing to give it a try - not least because of desperately needing pocket money and just putting a skill and hobby to a work context. 

As far as other websites where I read people's comments and extract info, there is only SH forums, RYM, and Progressiveears that I know of. I figured that signing up for a big magazine or publication isn't the way to go if you want to write about Prog, and as you say these old niche publications have gone by the wayside sadly Cry

I am just trying to be recognized for my knowledge and enjoyment of Prog at the moment. I am willing to start anywhere relevant and proving myself before even earning a decent salary. 

I wish I could pin this topic, but I don't know how - I hope to bring more eyeballs here! 

Please, if anyone here represents a prog-related publication or webzine and needs a hire in the writing department, consider me the most willing candidate! 

Thank you Mosh and everyone!  I hope we keep this topic going! 


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So there's really is only one way to approach this, and it's not to say "I would be happy to acquire a position".
No,no,no young man. If you want on a payroll, ya gotta prove yourself first. (think Peter Parker and The Daily Bugle).

So start writing and sending them out to established publications. If they like it, they buy it. If you're as good as you maybe think you are, you can write multiple columns for multiple publications and maybe get a syndicated column.

Realistically, that's the most logical path forward.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

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So start writing and sending them out to established publications. If they like it, they buy it. If you're as good as you maybe think you are, you can write multiple columns for multiple publications and maybe get a syndicated column.

Realistically, that's the most logical path forward.

Hi,

The only concern I have here is the copyright of your work. Generally, if you OWN it, most publications won't touch it, as they can not "gain" from it. Thus, it is a double edged sword, in a "business" world. No one is gonna pay out money, when they can get it for free, and that is the worst part of the work out there, IF there is any at all. 

A couple of websites, like this one, are volunteer organizations as far as I know ... and that makes it tough, but it also ensures that the folks involved care enough for what they do. In general, they do, but a couple of the websites, are NOT about the music ... they are something totally else, and keep the fans "invisible" as much as possible in the name of a genre, or concept. And at that point, I'm not sure that those places are trustworthy at all ... mostly taking advantage of it all. And adding a comment, is for them, not you ... again, the writer is "invisible" in the name of the concept or idea. You won't ever gain a nickel in that group I don't think!

I have, for example, over 600 film reviews (mostly foreign film) and in 30 years, I have never gained much from it ... maybe a nickel, or a dime, if that. But I have had a couple of my reviews used in two film festivals, which I have to admit was really far out ... and I have one letter, from the Festival in Singapore, that really appreciated my review, and thought it was very nice ... though I don't know how the film came out in it. If it is like the Film Festival here in Portland, it's a joke. I'm always fighting for the smaller films and lesser known material, and their propaganda machine makes sure their American and English films are sold out, so they "can pay the bills" ... so they say! And the film from small country in Africa, just got 12 people in the audience, and the one from Chile, got 15 people in the audience, and no one gives a fart about their value and incredible love for even putting it together. Most of it goes right down the loo. And you think that they folks at the Film Festival care? They never even said thank yo, when I did some volunteer work looking up information about some films so they could put together "notes" for the viewers. AND, get this, they didn't want material from a "reviewer" so they did not get called on it, and have to pay royalties on it ... I guess they thought the same about myself ... but they didn't care. I was not interested in all the American and English films, knowing they all would be in video the next week (1990's) ... but the smaller stuff ... never to be seen again!

I feel the same about a lot of things I write ... and when I say to many folks here that within the "new music" are "our children" that deserve an opportunity, the only thing you hear is the silence of death and anger ... and you know right away they don't even give a poop about their own children. Let them eat cake!
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Ok, full disclosure that I am new to PA and the business, but I think you're getting at the fact that I'm trying to be a show off which I'm not. I've never done this before and this just seems like the most logical place to start.

Proving myself is what I'm after, but I want to make sure a publication is Interested and Right. 

I'm not denying what you're saying (whether you've actually been down the path you claim, I don't know) but I think PA can be a useful tool for getting yourself out there - I mean how many users does PA have? The amount of expertise on this site is unmatched - maybe rivaled by a select few. 

I brought myself here because I think I am a worthy prospect, and would go out of my way to reach that goal with some guidance from older folks like you.

I will go and do research on some of these "established" papers to get an idea. I'm sure you read what Mosh wrote above: the market is not what it used to be and prog is not as compatible with the mainstream as you might think. Jumping straight into the shark pool may not be the best approach if you're looking to write about progressive music - that is essentially the point I am trying to make.  

Just throwing that out there... 



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I'm not sure this is what you're going for, but i'm new to PA to, if you want to be able to write, you could start doing scripted reviews on YouTube of progressive music/rock. Now, you might not get paid well, but you could make a little money off of it eventually. Granted, bands like Yes, Pink Floyd, and Rush would get way more views than say, a video about Anonymous II from Focus 3. So you'd have to vary a bit, but well scripted documentary style videos on YouTube by independent creators about Prog Rock are in short supply, so that's a niche you could run with. 
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Most of the people I know who do reviewing, do it as a hobby, even if they were pro at one time.  The old world of being paid for writing is harder to break into than ever, but don't let that discourage you.  I do wish you luck, there are lots of reviewers here, and maybe you'll get some more concrete answers from the more established ones.  I commend you for wanting to follow your dream and having the guts to ask around how it might be done.  
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Not so much what I'm after Frets, but appreciate the idea nevertheless!

I think scripted reviews on YT are plentiful and competition-heavy so probably not a good place to start for a newbie - I think the profit margin would be close to 0 ngl.

Regarding your 2nd point, I am not so much looking for video editing/creativity as just a writing outlet. I try to stick to what I think I know and can succeed in. 
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I hate to say this but I might just add that I have too little time on my hands to be doing any editorial work as a hobby. I am entering that stage in my life where I have to start finding ways to make a living - plus, I am in college and my best bet in the near future is just a Bachelor's degree in Business. 

You heard that right: Business - my school would not even offer journalism to me. I took classes back in high school to learn as much as I could. A transfer is too expensive for me atm - I would need a job to balance with school. 
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Not so much what I'm after Frets, but appreciate the idea nevertheless!
I think you should reconsider, because for what you're wishing to focus on, creating your own workspace is pretty much the only chance of ever getting payed for doing something like this. I see that you're 21 years old, but I this looks like it's written sometime in the 20th century:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

If anybody here works for or owns a publication with an emphasis on progressive music, I would be happy to acquire a position somewhere along the lines of Columnist/Editor in Chief/Reviewer, you name it - as long as writing is the focus! 

I would be happy to offer a "prototype" of any sort for you to get a preconceived notion of my abilities and knowledge. I am willing to start with minimal pay and then gradually take it from there!

...but I can surely understand not wanting to make youtube-videos when writing is your actual strength and interest. Check out this interview with American music critic and historian Ted Gioa on (among many other interesting things) how he gave up on traditional media and created his own writing platform on Substack. There he can gets to decide his own business model and can get payed multiple times for the same article (as mainstream media ends up buying the right to publish some of his longform articles from there). For quality in depth writing there's more of a future in this kind of model.



 



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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I'm not sure this is what you're going for, but i'm new to PA to, if you want to be able to write, you could start doing scripted reviews on YouTube of progressive music/rock. Now, you might not get paid well, but you could make a little money off of it eventually. Granted, bands like Yes, Pink Floyd, and Rush would get way more views than say, a video about Anonymous II from Focus 3. So you'd have to vary a bit, but well scripted documentary style videos on YouTube by independent creators about Prog Rock are in short supply, so that's a niche you could run with. 

Just to add to this, there are some requirements that have to be met before a channel can start monetization (meaning getting a share of ad revenue). In June, the requirement was changed to having 500 subscribers, 3 public uploads in the last 90 days, and 3000 watch hours in the past year. That 500 subscriber entry is actually more generous than it used to be. Prior to that you needed 1000 subscribers. I do a channel on baseball cards and I have been on there for over a year (233 videos and counting) and have only 398 subscribers so far. However, I think the competition between channels for viewers is a bit steeper for sports cards than prog rock. 

Here is an article about the changes they made back in June:

Having said that, I agree that focusing on more well-known bands at the start gives a greater chance of reaching that 500 subscriber threshold. All the reaction channels start off with PF's Comfortably Numb from Pulse, Nightwish's Ghost Love Score at Wacken 2013, and Rush's YYZ at Rio, though it isn't clear to me whether reaction channels can monetize that sort of video or not. It's unfortunate that YouTube's model eventually leads to "echo chambers" where there are too many videos of the aforementioned songs (or groups) and not enough content on more obscure bands that deserve more attention.  


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Not so much what I'm after Frets, but appreciate the idea nevertheless!
I think you should reconsider, because for what you're wishing to focus on, creating your own workspace is pretty much the only chance of ever getting payed for doing something like this. I see that you're 21 years old, but I this looks like it's written sometime in the 20th century:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

If anybody here works for or owns a publication with an emphasis on progressive music, I would be happy to acquire a position somewhere along the lines of Columnist/Editor in Chief/Reviewer, you name it - as long as writing is the focus! 

I would be happy to offer a "prototype" of any sort for you to get a preconceived notion of my abilities and knowledge. I am willing to start with minimal pay and then gradually take it from there!

...but I can surely understand not wanting to make youtube-videos when writing is your actual strength and interest. Check out this interview with American music critic and historian Ted Gioa on (among many other interesting things) how he gave up on traditional media and created his own writing platform on Substack. There he can gets to decide his own business model and can get payed multiple times for the same article (as mainstream media ends up buying the right to publish some of his longform articles from there). For quality in depth writing there's more of a future in this kind of model.




 
Is that a compliment; do I sound wise beyond my years? LOL

I can't thank you enough for suggesting this interview - that is sure a lit lightbulb of an idea! 
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@progaardvark

Boy, YT seems like it's the only business startup model taking hold for the future. A shame I say because not everyone wants to spend their time editing and monetizing their videos! Plus I am just about the least versed in the digital creator world as can be!

And yes, the echo chamber for prog reaction videos is unbelievable: so repetitive and formulaic! $$$

Plus, I am very anti any reaction video! I find them disingenuous and lazy. Unless it's a choice reactive individual who actually enjoys prog and what it has to offer, I won't even bother! 
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

For quality in depth writing there's more of a future in this kind of model.
Is that a compliment; do I sound wise beyond my years? LOL

I can't thank you enough for suggesting this interview - that is sure a lit lightbulb of an idea! 
Glad to hear! 

... I don't know enough to have formed enough of an impression to hand out compliments as such, but you come across as someone who's ambitious about the quality of the writing in itself. And that's a good thing:) 
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

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I would be happy to offer a "prototype" of any sort for you to get a preconceived notion of my abilities and knowledge. I am willing to start with minimal pay and then gradually take it from there! 

I will be taking any offers! 

For any inquiries, please see below... or just post in the discussion Smile

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BTW, as a side note here, if you're looking for a job in journalism you might want to brush up on the lingo to show you really ARE knowledgeable. No such thing as a "prototype" in writing. It's called a draft. Any hiring manager in the business would question your experience based on that alone.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

[EDIT]

I would be happy to offer a "prototype" of any sort for you to get a preconceived notion of my abilities and knowledge. I am willing to start with minimal pay and then gradually take it from there! 

I will be taking any offers! 

For any inquiries, please see below... or just post in the discussion Smile

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BTW, as a side note here, if you're looking for a job in journalism you might want to brush up on the lingo to show you really ARE knowledgeable. No such thing as a "prototype" in writing. It's called a draft. Any hiring manager in the business would question your experience based on that alone.
Not trying to be cruel here, just honest.
No offense taken, just a "brush up on the lingo" as you say Wink

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

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Having said that, I agree that focusing on more well-known bands at the start gives a greater chance of reaching that 500 subscriber threshold.
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I'm not sure of that ... but I have no stats to back it up, so I'm OK with your comment.

My take, and it comes from the late 60's and early 70's, is that you do NOT stick to the well known material and you start talking about the things that look like they are gonna hit ... which will immediately bring some folks to your side. And this is what happened to Space Pirate Radio, specially doing one night a week that was totally off-radio and experimental to the max ... and you can see it today on the chat at the twerking thing, that many of those folks talk about that early show as very special and they still appreciate the work being done.

Doing TW one more time, is a serious time waste. You will get one more hit, but that hit won't stay and leave for somewhere else. You kinda want the hits that matter, and keep you in one piece, which you can eventually (hopefully) bank on to make $50 monthly off it ... let's say! 

While I love PF/Gen/Rush/ELP, JT and all that ... anyone trying to make a new video about Aqualung, or Karn Evil 9 ... is not going to get the attention, unless you come off like a blonde making it look like she is very smart ... by using an example that is not even representative of what she thinks ... TW is theatrical .. NOT PROGRESSIVE! 

Again, this is difficult for me to discuss, since  my own father was published in at least 36 languages and he was/is a monster in Portuguese Literature in the 20th century ... and nothing I say here makes much sense to many folks here, since the experience of that is so different and peculiar that today, folks actually think I'm lying about it all! Today's world, and specially the literature world in many Universities is the pits and it is laughed at ... all you can do with it is become another professor rehashing the same old books ... no future that is satisfying at all!

IF I take a clue from the many writers that we met (while we were kids) it is that none of them quit on themselves. And that is a MAJOR POINT and requires a lot of sacrifice within yourself ... and the stronger you get from it, the better off you will be. But I'm not sure that my saying this is gonna help you today in a world where "faake" imagery and shows on the "net" makes you "famous" ... or at least with a few more hits than none!
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Hi,

One last comment ... that might or might not help ...

PA, and many of the other music websites are a DATABASE ... and as such, none of them are wanting writers for anything ... they only want a couple of more code folks to help maintain the database ... over and out.

Thus, the chances of "getting through" and getting some attention, will be much more difficult, and likely to add to some frustration that may already be present to yourself.

No two places, are the same, however ... all databases ... ARE the same, with one small detail or other worked on ... so to speak, but a database based group looking for a writer/columnist? ... Not sure it will go ... USA Today for example is letting go many of their writers ... and they are using samples and comments from their other writers instead, so that none of the material is "fresh" and "clean". It's becoming just another database!

For folks like you and I, our only chance, is a dream ... that a new age of artistic values comes through and takes down a lot of this commercial pulp writers and pulp pop music ... (people that can sing notes, but have no soul behind it!!!) ... but it will only take a few more years and the great Corporate Rape will take place again ... this is what happened to FM Radio in America in the late 70's and early 80's when all the "independent" stations were bought out  ... and right before your eyes and ears ... you got "classic" radio ... all "hits" ... and the new material suffered some, but was already too far developed and then into the 90's the music power of industry fell out even more to independent folks that created their own ... but today's listeners are totally enthralled by graven images of nothing ... it might make you some money ... but you will be done a few years later replace by some other graven image. Blonde or not! 


Edited by moshkito - October 06 2023 at 12:26
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