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"Fool's Overture" vs. "Funeral for a Friend"
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I'm not generally an Elton John fan but "Funeral for a Friend (Love Lies Bleeding)" is a great track. I also love "Fool's Overture". I really don't know which one I prefer, so I'll take the easy route and vote for both equally.
 
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Close one, but I give the edge to Supertramp. My bladder needs bigger socks.
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I love Fool's Overture. That Elton John track not so much.
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Most of Elton's prog credentials came from that track, often played a lot in the 70's alongside a lot of other proggy stuff. I like The Supertamp track but I prefer other things they did.
If we are talking proggy seventies crossover stuff then what about 10CC - One Night In Paris and Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell?!
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When i did this poll we didn't even have a Crossover Prog category. Supertramp was in Art Rock. I think I did it because there had been comments that Elton John had nothing to do with Prog, yet Fool's Overture, from a band in PA, has oft been considered a particularly Proggy Supertramp track and I have long closely associated "Funeral for a Friend (Love Lies Bleeding)" with "Fools Overture" -- good companion pieces to me. Bat Out of Hell may be Crossover Proogy but I don't get the same vibe from it as these two. Listening to that 10cc now and it's reminding me of Queen (great track regardless), and actually getting some of that Fools Overture vibe too. Maybe I would too off Bat out of Hell if I listened again.
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Fool's Overture (though I like both).

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By the way, I actually do like some Elton John tracks (Our Song, Rocket Man,...), but I don't expect of artists with other qualities to be "as proggy as they can", and the stuff that people think is "their most proggy" is often not what I'm attracted to. (I do understand why these two make sense as a pairing though.)
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I'm more of a Supertramp fan but I love them both. I think "Funeral For a Friend" is Elton's best, but I can think of better Supertramp songs, although it is a great one. The most underrated band ever.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

The most underrated band ever.
 
Supertramp might be underrated on this forum, but they don't seem to me to be underrated in the general public. I occasionally hear Supertramp songs on the radio, including "Fool's Overture", one of the few prog songs I hear on the radio.
 
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Very good matchup. I voted both.
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The Elton John track, IMO, always makes me wish he had gone a step further with the prog stylization, and added some more angular counterpoints, unusual time signatures, more complex fast synth noodling et al. I fuсking love Funeral for a Friend, but the arrangement doesn't build enough tension for me. It's like, it's locked within that "prog on easy mode" world, and it wants to escape it real bad. The tension is mounting and mounting, and then when you expect a prog breakdown, maybe even a timesig shift, it's all over and Love Lies Bleeding starts. :_:
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^I wasn't able to embed it on here but if you go to youtube listen to his track "out of the blue" from his Blue Moves album. It might surprise you. It's probably more fusion than prog though. Also, the short track "theme from a non-existant tv series" from the same album. Both are instrumental.

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

The most underrated band ever.
 
Supertramp might be underrated on this forum, but they don't seem to me to be underrated in the general public. I occasionally hear Supertramp songs on the radio, including "Fool's Overture", one of the few prog songs I hear on the radio.
 



Wow, interesting.. I'm in Michigan and although I haven't listened to the radio in years, for decades they played "Take the Long Way Home" (maybe part of some work/home celebration thing) and a few hits, but never would touch my favorite songs.

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I heard Supertramp in a mall once, I was honestly surprised. But I guess they have a few famous songs, so I guess I should not be that surprised. LOL 
These days there are reaction videos to Supertramp songs, so what do I know... I'm just glad people discover their music. 
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Musicians whom were involved with the musicians in Supertramp, previous to Supertramps beginning are Gilbert O'Sullivan whom played in band with Rick Davies and Reginald Kenneth Dwight whom played in Argosy, led by Roger Hodgson and had Caleb Quaye and Nigel Olsson on drums.
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Rick Davies is from my home town Swindon so would make sense he would have played in a band with Gilbert O'Sullivan who was born just up the road in Marlborough. The Elton John connection is very interesting.

Supertamp was globally massive around the time of Breakfast In America, the number of times I heard Logical Song on the radio was countless, still love that song and the whole album to this day. Also aren't they Homer's favourite band in The Simpsons?!
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Interesting.

The ccountry they become most popular is Canada, so ive read. The story of Rick Davies is quite interesting, not that the backround of Roger Hodgson, Bob Siebenberg, Dougie Thompson, John Halliwell or Richard Palmer James arrent interesting.

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Funeral : A Dave Hentschel collaboration (on ARP 2500)

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