Steven Wilson - Economies of Scale

Prog-jester wrote: Impossible Tightrope sounds very fillery not a fan of Economies but at least that was _a_ song

^ You're welcome to disagree. I loved how people were in the 90s, when differing opinions were still allowed.

Wilson has the right to make any music he wants.  And we have the right to migrate away from Wilson's music if we wish.  To each their own.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: And now the actually video has been released :-)

It definitely gives me strong Thom Yorke vibes, and similar to some of Yorke's videos with dancing. I quite like it but not as much as the Thom Yorke works of which it reminds me. I have felt for quite some time that Steven Wilson can seem like too much of a Thom Yorke wannabe and I heard Radiohead in various Porcupine Tree music. I have heard Steven Wilson called a genius when it comes to making music, but the music of his I like best seems very emulative of others. I never have been really a Porcupine Tree or Steven Wilson fan, but the music grew on me. For that matter, it took quite some time for Radiohead to grow on me.

richardh wrote: What are we disagreeing about? You either like something or not. Doesn't mean the artist has committed a crime against humanity if you don't like it.  BTW the last comment about the 90's, I would say it goes back a lot earlier to pre punk. New Wave forced people to take sides and it's been like that ever since. Before 1977 music was just music until a bunch of miserable self serving individuals decided that talent didn't matter anymore. (Rant over)

^ Honestly you were pretty angry in your opinion. I see this as beating on SW because he's no longer doing ''prog'' (athough half the time no one knows what that is anyway!). Starting a post ''What the f**k'' is maybe not the best way but everyone here certainly expresses their opinion and that's fine.

richardh wrote: ^ Honestly you were pretty angry in your opinion. I see this as beating on SW because he's no longer doing ''prog'' (athough half the time no one knows what that is anyway!). Starting a post ''What the f**k'' is maybe not the best way but everyone here certainly expresses their opinion and that's fine. Looking at things from a wider perspective , an artist make his (or hers) choices and we (the fans) make a choice to listen or ignore. My point is that it's nothing to get angry about and its not a crime to make 'commercial' music or even just crap music for that matter!

Catcher10 wrote: Music is an artform, so it can be a very personal choice on how we view releases and the content. It's not just prog, although the fans of this genre are very staunch in their opinions. "If it's not prog it suxs!!" Absolutely ridiculous, in my view . ...........

Edited by O666 - September 08 2023 at 12:43

moshkito wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: I think the solution to avoid all the anger I'm reading in various posts here is to avoid being a "fanboy" in the first place. Don't get too attached to your favorite artists. It's not a marriage, there is no commitment. They don't owe you anything, and you don't owe them. Chill. Hi, Probably not gonna happen. You know how it is when the kids are smoking their first cigarette and think they are men, now! Or worse ... puffing a fake dragon, and thinking that it's good dope, which they will never try in their lives to know what the whole thing was about in those days that helped "progressive music" get started.

It does however seem to me that Wilson makes little attempt to connect to his fanbase but then that's been the case for over 20 years. Warm and cuddly he isn't. However with PT and then solo he has made some exceptional music and I thank him for that. Very few artists in this century have achieved half as much (imo). I don't see what fanboyism has got to do with anything. His general attitude is to put stuff out and we can choose to like it or not. I don't see a problem other than people clearly have an expectation and think they have a right to be very brutal in their opinions against him. However this perhaps reflects a modern social media attitude that is prevailant, I was reminded a few days ago that one of the reasons given why Keith Emerson commited suicide was because people were telling him his music was worthless and to give up (on social media sites generally not here). I really hope we can just stick to making comments and having opinions without it getting too personal. Sure, expressing a dislike is fine but that's all it needs to be.