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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Thanks, David, I've corrected names in the bio and changed the year of the debut album's digital version.

As for dividing New Name / ex Old Name bands' pages, I still strongly against it because in my opinion it brings more confusion than we have now. Probably I don't completely understand your idea, but I feel it's the last thing in life I'd like to be a part of. Smile
Additionally, in my opinion to start this "revolution", admins' request would be necessary. Yes, technically we can do it, but ethically it's the "admins' case".
 I think it might also be worth adding in that there is the February 21st 2020 digital re-release of the debut album as The view Inside (on Bandcamp, Spotify, Apple Music etc, but not included on Discogs at the moment) with 11 tracks instead of 12, which is the one that our tracklist and musicians line up is based on.

So maybe it should read:

Digital album (2019, as BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR)
Digital album (2020, as THE VIEW INSIDE)

This, of course, once again brings into confusion the year when the name change actually occurred, so I'd also be tempted to edit that opening line of the biography to say: "Formed as BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR in 2019, subsequently changed name to THE VIEW INSIDE" - and leave it at that!

The line below in the biography really needs to be changed too, since when I wrote the original submission for this artist several weeks ago, I had not really looked thoroughly at all the Discogs releases, and had based my resumé of the band's history on the Bandcamp date for release of their debut album:

Line 7-8: The arrival of 'The View Inside' in February 2020 marked his debut as a full fledged lead singer (date needs changing to June 2019).

This really has been a difficult artist to resolve, but I think once those changes are done we'll be more or less there!

E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. Hope I missed nothing.

As for your thoughts regarding my suggestion regarding bands who've changed names in general, I hear you loud and clear, but if you wanted to get a feel for how it would work, just create a temporary entry for Briand Boursin Rohr using a spare unused artist page (previous deletion) with this text written there: BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR was the band name previously used by THE VIEW INSIDE when they were formed in 2019. You can always ask admins to delete the page again if you don't like the way it works. Smile

And that's all you would need to include there. This 'placeholder' entry would then show up in the alphabetical list of all the artists that have been added to the site, and anyone finding it in the list and visiting the page would be redirected via the hyperlink to the current one for The View Inside, where all the relevant information is available. Same would apply to any artist that has changed their name at some point if a similar new page was created for them under their old name.

I think it would be a dead simple modification to the site really, and if it was applied to all the artists that have changed their name at some point, it would do away with the need for all these 'New Name / ex Old Name' page headings that we have. Admins would need to be consulted about something like this for sure, but if it's the last thing in life you'd like to be a part of, then I fully understand where you're coming from. Your job here is tough enough as it is lol!

Edit: I think the existence of a separate page for Briand Boursin Rohr would make Mayer a lot happier too. It would pretty much address all his comments in his chicken and egg post a few days ago! Embarrassed

E&O Team: I think no need to disturb admins, I hope I can imagine how it will look. 
But once again, if we decide (I still hate the idea Smile) to change all New Name / ex Old Name bands, it should be universal solution for all of them (Julien, using his tool, can say how many bands).

Let's suppose some band released several albums under old name and several albums under new name. And then - lots of possible cases, like re-releasing old material under new name, making compilations etc, then some member leaves new band and decides to proceed under the old band's name. Something we can't predict is also possible. Do we need this headache? I think no.

P.S. I don't know who I "love" more - The View Inside band or Antony Kalugin with all his projects and you suggest to handle a new bunch of namechangers. Have mercy to an old man. LOL


Edited by NotAProghead - September 06 2023 at 15:47
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=82002

I made a mistake, sorry the album's name is "Solar Island"
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^ Thanks Mayer, fixed.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Lots of intrusive Ã's. I wish the server admin would get this annoying error fixed. :_:
What do you mean? I don't see any error or strange characters.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81963
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81973

Duplication

E&O Team: OK... hmmm... let's see... We don't have 1 nor 2 nor 3... but 4 options here!!!! It's either Karfagen, Sunchild, Hoggwash or Antony Kalugin. Since the latest is the link between all bands, I guess we should keep him as the main artist for this entry?

I think we should keep the Karfagen release https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81973 because according to Antony's bio, "ANTONY KALUGIN is the only person to have participated on his solo albums. He has played every instrument and wrote every song, making this a totally solo project".


If you check his albums under his name on the list of musicians there are always other musicians playing with him! I added this album there cause Karfagen / Sunchild/ Hoggwash are ALL his bands and if I posted it under Karfagen then I should do under Sunchild and Hoggwash too and that makes no sense so that's why I posted it under Antony, my opinion

E&O Team: I feel some explanation would be helpful.
We know Antony Kalugin is the mastermind of all his bands. But I think he releases albums only by his name in order to distinguish between his personal works and group efforts. Thus if we see Karfagen, Sunchild or Hoggwash on the album cover it's not Antony Kalugin's solo album.

Closest parallel would be Ian Anderson. Cats and dogs know Ian Anderson = Jethro Tull. But Ian explained that when works on Tull album he thinks how to leave space for other band members creativity, solos etc. While when he makes Ian Anderson's album it's just his vision, other musicians' voices don't count.


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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Lots of intrusive Ã's. I wish the server admin would get this annoying error fixed. :_:
What do you mean? I don't see any error or strange characters.


It's back to normal now. Weird.
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Updated releases information for "Glimpse of Love" by Sunchild.

From the album: Synesthesia

Composer, Producer, Mixing, Mastering: Antony Kalugin
Producer: William Mackie
Lyrics: John Sleeper

Released: May 12, 2015
Format: Digital
Label: Caerllysi Music


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50136

- E&O Team: Thanks, done.


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Updated releases information for "Outer Space" by Sunchild.

From the album: Synesthesia

Composer: Sunchild
Producer, Mixing, Mastering, Lyrics: Antony Kalugin
Producer: William Mackie

Released: May 12, 2015
Format: Digital
Label: Caerllysi Music


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50137

- E&O Team: Thanks, done.


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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=70745

Date changed to January 8, 2024

- E&O Team: Thanks, done.
It's a danger of early additions. Sometimes releases are announced but never see the light of day.
I remember at least one album (by Solaris) added long time ago, never released and finally deleted some 10 years after its addition.


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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Updated releases information for "Glimpse of Love" by Sunchild.

From the album: Synesthesia

Composer, Producer, Mixing, Mastering: Antony Kalugin
Producer: William Mackie
Lyrics: John Sleeper

Released: May 12, 2015
Format: Digital
Label: Caerllysi Music


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50136

No need to all this info! the way it was done is the way it was meant to be! if you do it here on this one you can go and change the whole PA catalog
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ I thought so too, but Mayer's points make sense.

Thank you Eugene, even though nothing was done about it! but I really don't care nor is this band that important! sorry

E&O Team: It's the most popular album of the whole "errors and omissions" community these days. LOL

Mayer, thanks to you and David for your care (no LOL smile, I say it seriously).


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Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Updated releases information for "Outer Space" by Sunchild.

From the album: Synesthesia

Composer: Sunchild
Producer, Mixing, Mastering, Lyrics: Antony Kalugin
Producer: William Mackie

Released: May 12, 2015
Format: Digital
Label: Caerllysi Music


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50137

No need to all this info! the way it was done is the way it was meant to be! if you do it here on this one you can go and change the whole PA catalog
Certainly, I see the point you are trying to make. However, I don't see any issues with providing additional information for the artists you enjoy. When I listen to an album, I take note of any details that could be added, and I'm inclined to contribute any information that I find would be of interest for future listeners. I don't see any reason to not add these changes. While I acknowledge that you submitted the original addition, please don't interpret my further additions as a slight or criticism.
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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Updated releases information for "Outer Space" by Sunchild.

From the album: Synesthesia

Composer: Sunchild
Producer, Mixing, Mastering, Lyrics: Antony Kalugin
Producer: William Mackie

Released: May 12, 2015
Format: Digital
Label: Caerllysi Music


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50137

No need to all this info! the way it was done is the way it was meant to be! if you do it here on this one you can go and change the whole PA catalog
Certainly, I see the point you are trying to make. However, I don't see any issues with providing additional information for the artists you enjoy. When I listen to an album, I take note of any details that could be added, and I'm inclined to contribute any information that I find would be of interest for future listeners. I don't see any reason to not add these changes. While I acknowledge that you submitted the original addition, please don't interpret my further additions as a slight or criticism.

Please, guys, keep love and peace, as John Lennon taught us. Handshake

Both of you are right. From one hand, some changes may look excessive. 
From the other hand, this info might be helpful for some users. For example, if I like some band it's interesting which singles are from albums and which are non-album ones. I'll make changes suggested above, but please keep in mind that it will take a lot of time to rearrange all possible singles this way. And there are better ways to spend our time.Smile

  
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Regarding The View Inside:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. Hope I missed nothing.
No, you didn't miss anything. I think we can move on from this band now! Smile 

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

E&O Team: I think no need to disturb admins, I hope I can imagine how it will look. 
But once again, if we decide (I still hate the idea Smile) to change all New Name / ex Old Name bands, it should be universal solution for all of them (Julien, using his tool, can say how many bands).

Let's suppose some band released several albums under old name and several albums under new name. And then - lots of possible cases, like re-releasing old material under new name, making compilations etc, then some member leaves new band and decides to proceed under the old band's name. Something we can't predict is also possible. Do we need this headache? I think no.

P.S. I don't know who I "love" more - The View Inside band or Antony Kalugin with all his projects and you suggest to handle a new bunch of namechangers. Have mercy to an old man. LOL

I'm an old man too, LOL but I take your point - and I won't mention this idea again. I certainly won't be trying to keep track of Antony Kalugin's ever-changing collection of releases under his various project names either. I still have nightmares over the last album of his that I got involved with! LOL
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Regarding The View Inside:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. Hope I missed nothing.
No, you didn't miss anything. I think we can move on from this band now! Smile 

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

E&O Team: I think no need to disturb admins, I hope I can imagine how it will look. 
But once again, if we decide (I still hate the idea Smile) to change all New Name / ex Old Name bands, it should be universal solution for all of them (Julien, using his tool, can say how many bands).

Let's suppose some band released several albums under old name and several albums under new name. And then - lots of possible cases, like re-releasing old material under new name, making compilations etc, then some member leaves new band and decides to proceed under the old band's name. Something we can't predict is also possible. Do we need this headache? I think no.

P.S. I don't know who I "love" more - The View Inside band or Antony Kalugin with all his projects and you suggest to handle a new bunch of namechangers. Have mercy to an old man. LOL

I'm an old man too, LOL but I take your point - and I won't mention this idea again. I certainly won't be trying to keep track of Antony Kalugin's ever-changing collection of releases under his various project names either. I still have nightmares over the last album of his that I got involved with! LOL
I can't forget the rollercoaster ride that was his last album. For better or for worse, these quirks tend to keep popping up in his new albums. Fingers crossed for his next release doesn't come with a dozen different versions! LOL

P.S. I think the team responsible for errors and omissions on Prog Archives ranks among the best on the internet, always accurate and helpful. Wink

P.S. (2) Only peace and love mbzr48 (as John Lennon and NotAProghead would say). I always enjoy looking at the prolific amount of ratings you have on this website. I typically find myself in alignment with your opinions. Wink


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Thanks for your comments  however I would like to point out that Proggnosis does not, in all cases, make separate entries for band's whose names have changed or evolved over time.
This decision is made at the time - and usually relies solely on my own best judgement in each case.

On thing that helps is that in our database, we have the field for alternate names.  This allows me to list the alternate band name.  When a search is performed, then both bands show up in the result regardless of how different the spelling of the name is.

Of course, we are very fallible in this as in all other instances.  We simply have never had the size of staff you have here at ProgArchives - but we do our best.  Though we are the older of the two sites by more than a year, age does not equate to resources. Wink
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^^^^ To several posts above - thank you guys, for your help, understanding and "open mind for a different view".

Some could say: "Who cares of the small details you discuss? No big deal". But the whole picture is always a sum of small details. I believe your volunteer efforts help to keep the high rank that PA has in the eyes of rock and prog rock lovers. Thumbs Up
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81207

1. Sold the Peace (4:15)
2. The Light of Ancient Mistakes (6:40)
3. Avrana Kern is Made of Ants (3:29)
4. The Anxiety Machine (Part 1) (2:10)
5. Sixteen Hugless Years (3:52)
6. The Requisitioner and the Wonder (6:36)
7. The Glamour Boys (4:37)
8. Gothi and Gethli (3:37)
9. I'm Tired and Everything Hurts (2:43)
10. The Anxiety Machine (Part 2) (2:48)
11. Walking to Aldebaran (8:55)
12. Goodbye Cassini (4:40)
13. The Anxiety Machine (Part 3) (1:41)
14. The Man Who Japed (5:10)
15. Burn the World (5:50)

Bonus Tracks (Radio Edit)
16. 16 Hugless Years (5:31)
17. The Requisitioner and the Wonder (2:34)
18. I'm Tired and Everything Hurts (1:36)
19. The Man Who Japed (3:52)

Total Time 80:36
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^ Thanks, Mayer, done.
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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

this album by The Foundation is another band with same name but from the Netherlands and not Sweden. It has to process by the Symphonic team or I think more appropriate by the Neo Prog Team. I will get in touch with the Neo...

Louis, we are aware of this since last week... see here:

Your help is welcome, of course! Smile
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