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 Posted: September 03 2023 at 16:42 |
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81186
1. Reaching Out (4:18) 2. Face the Dawn (12:44) 3. Hold On to Me (6:30) 4. When You Return (6:13) 5. Moving Through Tomorrow (10:24) 6. White Shadows (19:25) 7. Butterfly (4:23) Total Time 63:57 - E&O Team: Thanks, done.
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Posted: September 03 2023 at 16:52 |
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Didn't you just added https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=80839 and you wrote in release info, Subtitled "Instrumental symphonic art rock suite" so it should be the same suggestion here, Subtitled "Images, Sketches, and Elements 1" but if you check on Bandcamp https://antonykalugin.bandcamp.com/track/phantasmagoria-element-1-24-48 you'll see how Antony wrote E&O Team: I'm on Mayer's side for this. Done.
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Posted: September 03 2023 at 18:34 |
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^ To this and other Antony Kalugin's releases - they start scaring me because when I see suggestions to update them this always means: headache guaranteed.
  In case of "Phantasmagoria" and "Dragon Island" I agree, some consistency will not hurt. Either "Phantasmagoria (Images, Sketches, and Elements 1)" and "Dragon Island (Instrumental symphonic art rock suite)" or "Phantasmagoria" and "Dragon Island" with notes in the release info "Subtitled ...." What do you, guys, prefer? P.S. Left unmarked Antony Kalugin's releases on the previous page for near future, because each update raises questions and takes too much time. Edited by NotAProghead - September 03 2023 at 19:05 |
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NotAProghead
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Posted: September 03 2023 at 18:54 |
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I agree The View Inside / ex Briand Boursin Rohr would be a better name. I would also add in the beginning of the bio: Formed as BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR in 2020, changed name to THE VIEW INSIDE in 2023. Regarding 11 or 12 tracks, I think the album page explains it well. Though I don't mind if Mayer would like to correct track numbers in this short list:  - Ludovic Briand / guitars, vocals, percussion (4,8), trumpet (3), bass (11), mandolin (2,11) - Julien Boursin / piano (1,2,4,5,8,9,11), backing vocals (4,8), synthesizer (3,7), bass (7), strings (8), organ (5), percussion & programming (11) With: - Matt Rohr / mixing - François Gomez / bass (2,3) - Hadrien Féraud / bass (6,9) - Serge Arèse / bass (1,4,5,8) - Christophe Briand / drums (4), percussion (4,9) - Gregg Bissonette / drums (5) - Nicolas Viccaro / drums (3,6,7) - Simon Phillips / drums (2,8,11) - Vinnie Colaiuta / drums (9) - Sibylle Liévois / cello (2,4,8,9,10,11) - François Gomez / double bass (10) - Levon Minassian / duduk (4,10) - Matt Wong / electric piano (6) - Jean-Louis Hennequin / flute (10) - Jérôme Buigues / guitar (2) - Nicolas Baudino / horns (7) - Tanya Michelle Smith / lead & backing vocals (8) - Julien Osty / percussion (4) - Phillipe Jardin / percussion (8) - Sebastien Lhermitte / percussion (1,2,3,4,7) - Yannick Chavatier / percussion (4) - Thomas Rebois / piano (10), synthesizer (6) - Nicolas Baudino / saxophone (2,3,7) - Marc Borlet-Hote / trumpet (3,7) - Camille Briant / violin (2,4,8,9,10,11), cello (1) - Luca Rohr / vocals (1,3) - Adeline Briand / backing vocals (5,7) - Jacky Zomero / backing vocals (6) - John James / backing vocals (5) - Magalie Ponsada / backing vocals (5,7) - Patrice Carmona / backing vocals (5) - Sabrina Briand / backing vocals (8) - Valerie Ghent / backing vocals (5,7,8) P.S. I didn't make changes before knowing David's opinion (after all in case of this band's bio he's the main contributor). Edited by NotAProghead - September 03 2023 at 19:03 |
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Posted: September 03 2023 at 19:25 |
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^ Yes, let’s wait for David’s opinion. But I thought this case was closed.
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Posted: September 03 2023 at 20:02 |
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^ I thought so too, but Mayer's points make sense.
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Posted: September 04 2023 at 00:24 |
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1. Meddley is a misspelling on both Bandcamp and the physical releases of the album. 2. These tracks are unavailable on all other streaming platforms besides Bandcamp. E&O Team: Thanks, done.
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Posted: September 04 2023 at 00:27 |
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Also, are there any updates on this release? Thanks. E&O Team: Yes, now it's done.
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In his first post here he pointed out that the original CD version of the album was released under the band name Briand Boursin Rohr, quoting the discogs link to the CD where Tumble Down & Faerie Lights are listed as two separate tracks and there are 12 tracks altogether, yet the Line-up/Musicians list he provided was just my original one for the later 11 track digital version of the album, but with the contributing guests listed in a different order (albeit he had also removed the spaces I had originally included in between the commas, and condensed down any runs of sequential tracks that were there by using a hyphen between the first and last numbers rather than listing each number individually as I had originally done, which was fair enough). He had also added "- Matt Rohr / mixing" into the key musicians section, which I thought was totally out of order, since although Matt is one of the three guys who created the project, and his name features in the original band name, he is the technical wizard and co-writer of the trio, and doesn't actually play any instruments. On the occasions where we do include details of the people who mix, master, produce etc in an album's credits on PA, it is always at the very end of the list of guest musicians and singers who actually perform on the album. The change of band name in 2023 was mentioned in the biography, and the very first line of my suggestion thread read: "The View Inside (formerly known as Briand Boursin Rohr)", so it really did seem as though Mayer's first post was somewhat unnecessary, never mind being inaccurate as well. The band's official website was also changed on our page at this time, which I didn't see as being the correct thing to do either. Then in his second post here, he said that the list of musicians for the second album was different on their Bandcamp page to the one on our page (which I had provided). Bandcamp doesn't always list the full line-ups for an album - that site just includes the info that the artist supplies to them when the album is added there, and is not checked against the full definitive list of musicians who contribute to it. If Mayer had bothered to also check the discogs page for that album as well as the first one, he would have seen the full list of guest musicians there, so this second post of his was totally unnecessary, and thankfully Julien didn't make any changes as a result of it. I have no objection whatsoever to the band name being changed to 'The View Inside / ex Briand Boursin Rohr', though I stand by my previous comments regarding why I feel it is unnecessary to create such an unwieldy PA name for the band in this instance. The debut album's details now point out the existence of the earlier CD release of the that album under the original band name, and mention the slight difference in the earlier track listing too. To add "Formed as BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR in 2020, changed name to THE VIEW INSIDE in 2023" at the start of the biography would be an excellent idea though, so I wholehearted agree with this.  Despite originally releasing released their debut CD under a band name consisting purely of their own surnames, it seems the guys eventually came to the conclusion that this wasn't an ideal name for the band - not least because one of them doesn't actually contribute any instruments or vocals to the material - so when they changed the name to something more original for the release of the second album, they also re-released the first one (digitally rather than on CD) under the new band name. Mayer says that if this band had been added in 2020 to PA it would clearly be "Briand Boursin Rohr" since nobody here has a crystal ball. That's true enough - and the entry for the debut album would have been the 12-track original CD version of it - but the name would obviously have had to be changed now to The View Inside (either with or without the 'ex Briand Boursin Rohr' part, which is not really particularly important now, bearing in mind what has happened since 2020). We didn't add the band in 2020 though, we added it in 2023, and in my opinion the addition should concentrate on the 'now' rather than the 'what used to be', with the latter merely being included for completeness. That's my last word on this. I'm sorry again for causing you guys here a lot of unnecessary wasted time with my earlier comments, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe I should have just kept quiet and let Mayer do what he wanted to unopposed. Edit: On the more general subject of bands who have existed under two completely different band names, I really think that Progarchives goes about accommodating the different names in the database in the wrong way completely. I originally raised this subject here in early February this year, when I asked if there was an approved and accepted format for labelling a band's single page here on PA. This latest case has really brought home to me the fact that the rationale of having just a single page on PA for bands who have existed under different names is somewhat flawed, and other websites such as Proggnosis do it much better by creating an entirely separate page for each incarnation of the band. Why is that method better? Let's say someone has just bought the original 'The View Inside' CD that was released under the band name 'Briand Boursin Rohr', and they like it. That person then looks in the alphabetical list of artists on PA under 'B' for them but can't find the band there. What does that person do? A Google search would take them to the View Inside's page of course, but wouldn't it be so much better if there was a separate entry for Briand Boursin Rohr which (for now at least) just said something like: "The original name used by 'The View Inside' (with hyperlink to their current page) when the band was created in 2020"? That would be all that was required on that 'Briand Boursin Rohr' page, since the full discography and details of the sequence of events would be available to read on 'The View Inside' page, but you could also add something like: "Band name changed to 'The View Inside' with the release of the second album in 2023; digital re-release of the debut album under the new band name" if you wanted to, and you could even include the original CD version of the album with 12 tracks instead of 11 on that page if you wanted to be really thorough. That method of accommodating previous band names on the site on a separate page does away with the need to have these unwieldly combined headings with both band names separated by a forward slash. In the case of The View Inside's debut album, although the details are clearly mentioned in the text of that page, a note in brackets could also be added to the title of it on the main page which read: "(originally released under the band name Briand Boursin Rohr)" to make this doubly plain (and something similar was indeed done after Mayer pointed out the name change in the first of his two posts) but with the unwieldy 'The View Inside / ex Briand Boursin Rohr' band name, the album itself appeared before as: "The View Inside (as Briand Boursin Rohr) The View Inside / ex Briand Boursin Rohr", which just looked ridiculous really. Having separate pages for a band that has existed under two (or more) names thus does away with the need to have these unwieldy combined headings, makes a successful search for the original band name possible in the alphabetical listing on PA, and to me is a far more satisfactory way of doing things. Have a look at the way Proggnosis handles the matter if you don't believe me lol, though their method segregates a band's albums over the two pages rather than including all the information on the later band name page (which I feel is a better way of doing things - the old name page just containing a line or two of text and a link to the new one).
Just my thoughts, of course...  Edited by yam yam - September 04 2023 at 08:55 |
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Posted: September 04 2023 at 09:25 |
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81661
- Samuele Scandario / guitars - David Caretti / drums - Massimiliano Dionigi / bass - Riccardo Iacono / keyboards - Alessandro Parigi / vocals With: - Dina Simona Isimiglio / flute - Francesca Merli / vocals Label: Loud N’Proud Records (LNPR 005) Format: CD, Digital February 25, 2023 E&O Team: Thanks Mayer, done.
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When it comes to Antony Kalugin he likes to change his mind all the time (he's a genius so why not) , since he has a bunch of bands it gets confusing at the end, IMHO "Phantasmagoria" and "Dragon Island" would be good enough but I really don't care, the only thing is like I pointed out, consistency!
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81963 https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81973Duplication E&O Team: OK... hmmm... let's see... We don't have 1 nor 2 nor 3... but 4 options here!!!! It's either Karfagen, Sunchild, Hoggwash or Antony Kalugin. Since the latest is the link between all bands, I guess we should keep him as the main artist for this entry?
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Posted: September 04 2023 at 13:53 |
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81532
1. Mankind (6:42)
2. August in September (6:20)
3. Eight Billion Heartbeats (9:23)
4. New Man (8:31)
5. Neighborhood of Spirits (7:52)
6. Peaceful Planet (5:33)
7. A Thousand Men (10:01) Total Time 54:22 E&O Team: Thanks Mayer, done.
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Posted: September 04 2023 at 16:13 |
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Can you provide a picture for DANIEL CROSS? I would like to update this page. A capital "D" would be nice at the beginning of the bio...
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Unfortunately, I do not have a picture for Daniel Cross. However if/when one becomes available I will submit it. E&O Team: OK, I just added a "D" then...
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I think we should keep the Karfagen release https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=81973 because according to Antony's bio, "ANTONY KALUGIN is the only person to have participated on his solo albums. He has played every instrument and wrote every song, making this a totally solo project". Karfagen / Sunchild / Hoggwash: A Message of Peace Tour Live doesn't fit to this description. Edited by NotAProghead - September 05 2023 at 01:11 |
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David, please look at the album page. I've added whitespaces, changed the release year to 2019 (because of this entry on Discogs, its backcover reads: 2019) and added writing-production-mixing etc credits to the Release info. Additionally, I've added the line "Formed as BRIAND BOURSIN ROHR in 2019, changed name to THE VIEW INSIDE in 2023" in the band's bio (actually I don't know was the name changed in 2023 or earlier).
Probably makes sense, but let's think of the consequences if we'll change the policy. It's a pretty long list of New Name / ex Old Name bands. If we divide all of them someone has to do the following: - add "new" artists; - move albums under new names to new pages; - rework all bios; Changing name may also mean the change of the subgenre. If so Genre Teams have to be involved. I don't think this kind of revolution worth time and effort.
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It does appear that the band name had already been changed by late September 2022. I don't know if you use facebook, but there was an event posted on there advertising an album release show by American bass player Marco Mendoza featuring his new band line up at the Cherrydon Club in La Penne-sur-Huveaune, France on 10th October 2022, at which The View Inside performed under that name as the opening act: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10160186989452829&set=a.113497347828. And yes, the digital version of the debut album was released in 2019...In fact the first batch of CDs were received by the band as early as May 29th 2019, but the CD version of the album doesn't seem to have been officially released until Feb 2020. CD unboxing video on facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=364000687435112.
A hyperlink embedded under the text of the current band name on that old band name page would then take the reader to the current band name page. All information (bio, albums etc) on the existing current band name page would remain unaltered - all that would need to be done with this existing page would be to remove the "ex - old name" part from the page heading, since the very simple new page that has been created under the old band name would bring you to it via the hyperlink embedded there. It should hopefully only take a few minutes to do for each artist. No need even for a band photo there - these old band name pages would simply exist as markers (and pointers) that would show up in the database's alphabetical list to indicate to a visitor to the site who was searching for the old band name that an artist that has used the name at some point does exist here, and enable them to easily find the entry for the artist under their current band name when they open up the old band name page.
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^ Thanks, David, I've corrected names in the bio and changed the year of the debut album's digital version.
As for dividing New Name / ex Old Name bands' pages, I still strongly against it because in my opinion it brings more confusion than we have now. Probably I don't completely understand your idea, but I feel it's the last thing in life I'd like to be a part of. Additionally, in my opinion to start this "revolution", admins' request would be necessary. Yes, technically we can do it, but ethically it's the "admins' case".
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Lots of intrusive Ã's. I wish the server admin would get this annoying error fixed. :_:
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