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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3618 |
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If Talking Heads, Mercury Rev, Radiohead, The Beatles, Iron Maiden, Miles Davis, Black Sabbath and Oingo Boingo are on the site...
Then why not XTC and Flaming Lips? Let's not split hairs. Let this be THE place for progressive rock. I love Progarchives but this needs fixing...
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15342 |
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^ those bands are prog related and Flaming Lips is not In fact i'd love to get rid of prog related altogether It dilutes from the true prog experience Talking Heads and Oingo Boingo shouldn't be here at all Beatles, Sabbath are proto-prog I've found nothing about Flaming Lips to warrant their inclusion Experimental indie pop doesn't make prog |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21548 |
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One of the litmus tests for true "prog" is the presence of snobbery
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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If the Flaming Lips meet this criteria then they they should be included or at least considered. People just saying they are prog means nothing.....proof is in the chocolate pudding.
I'm not sure I have ever heard one of their songs, just wayyyyy too much other music to listen to....Aren't they some kind of pop music band??
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scouser14 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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Oh gosh, NO! They are anything but just a 'pop band'! They are very experimental, and for me, one of the best bands of the last 25+ years (and I am a die-hard prog fan from Genesis, Crimson, Gong, Canterbury, to Twelfth Night, Pendragon, IQ, Riverside, Lifesigns etc etc). Seeing as you've never listened to anything from them, may I suggest, 'When We Die, When We're High', 'Mother Please Don't Be Sad' (Floydish vibe) and 'Brother Eye' from their latest 'American Head' album. Also, 'All We Have Is Now' and 'Approaching Pavonis Mons by Balloon (Utopia Planitia) from the 'Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots' album..... for starters... but then both albums are absolutely brilliant throughout :) (and like any great music, give 'em a few listens) If you do give them a shot, 'd be interested in your thoughts after listening to them. cheers.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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I'm currently listening to the songs posted on page 1. Yea for sure a ton of CAN influence (btw CAN fooking rulez in my book!!). But what I'm hearing is just a lot of psych music, which in itself is not progressive to me, at least not enough to be listed here as a prog band. I'm not part of any team that makes these decisions, just my opinion. I'm not a big fan of psych music, I love Pink Floyd, but really don't care for Piper and Saucer much at all for example.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18847 |
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They don't do much for me personally. I'm not sure exactly what it is but I just don't care much for their sound. However, that's not a reason for me to say they shouldn't be on here. Also, even though they might not be proper prog they should still be considered since there's a lot on here that isn't "proper prog" imo.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21548 |
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I'm not a fan of the band by any stretch, but having listened to a lot of RIO, I fail to see why not to include them. There's a lot of RIO releases which IMHO are only considered prog because of the level of experimentation. TFL certainly are experimental, they're firmly rooted in Rock with a lot of electronic elements, psychedelic and space leanings as well.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45580 |
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This ![]() As they have released new music since their last evaluation, they can be looked into again. So instead of complaining why they are not on PA, write a biography, post listening links (to prove your point why they should be here), band photo, make sure you find a subgenre that suits them.
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scouser14 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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Where exactly am I 'complaining'??? I was asking a genuine question, to which there might have been a rational answer I wasn't aware of. May I suggest you consider more measured responses to people simply asking a question?
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45580 |
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Sorry, but your question sound more like a reproach than a "genuine" one. ![]() The rational answer is suggest the artist, see what happens.
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scouser14 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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then may I suggest you give people not familiar with the site the benefit of the doubt and don't jump to conclusions? I didn't even know there was a process for suggesting new artists. Now I do.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45580 |
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OK. Navigate the site a bit and the forum, get used to it all.
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Tuzvihar ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13536 |
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You joined 18 years ago and you're still not familiar with the site? ![]() |
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scouser14 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 35 |
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yes... is that too difficult a concept to grasp? I mainly read reviews and look at discographies, and as you will see (if you look), I've rarely EVER used the forums until this post.
And I really didn't expect people to accuse me of complaining- or people to diss me for being a long term member and not having their level of site knowledge either! I expected it to be a site where fellow prog fans are cordial, helpful and don't judge people without any real reason to do so. So I asked a legitimate question and don't have adequate site knowledge.... does that really mean I should be subjected to flippant comments?
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Tuzvihar ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13536 |
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^ Ok. Now I understand. I didn't mean to offend you, sorry.
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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Flaming Lips refers to some of the posts here
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20408 |
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Oingo should not be here, that's for sure. However, there area few other bands who don't belong before I'd go excluding Talking Heads, though. ![]() Indeed, I've revisited their more iconic 90/00's albums like Soft Bulletin, Yoshimi, Transmissions, Clouds taste and found nothing to warrant a PA inclusion, even as Related. However, their latest American Head seems drenched in mellotron, though, as if they've just discovered it. .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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