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Lewian 
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 Posted: August 19 2023 at 04:05 |
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I don't normally like multiple votes; for me being forced to decide is part of the game. Games live on constraining rules. Chess wouldn't interest anyone if you just could do any move you want. (Other than that I often don't really find the decision easier where to draw the line in multiple vote polls than what "the one favourite" is. "Vote for three" is still OKish, "vote for anyone you like"... meh!) Neither do I like "both/all of them/none of them/don't know" options much, for similar reasons. (Although in scientific questionnaire design you better do something like this; these are not games!)
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David_D
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 05:46 |
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I'm curious about what people think and on what basis exactly they choose their favourites - amongst other things. |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 05:51 |
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Some people seem to have a lot of trouble with that. This is a pet peeve of mine not limited to PA, but when you ask people for 1/5/10/20/whatever favorites, there's people who can't help but mention at least twice as many and include some runner-ups for good measure. Or do their XX favorites per decade or genre. When you limit yourself, the albums/songs/movies/games/etc. you pick have much more meaning.
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Manuel
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 05:58 |
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There are some albums that are my favotires for very personal reasons, like Jethro Tull's Stand Up, the first prog record I ever owned as a young teenager, so it has a lot of sentimental value. Others, like Thick as a Brick, Selling England by the Pound, Red, Relayer, Voyage of the Acolyte, etc., have been such a landmark in my listening experiences, that I consider them favorites for what they represent. Also, in the new century, many other artists, Like John Mitchell (Lonely Robot), Matteo Mancuso, Organic Noise, etc., have given me so much pleasure and hope that there's still good new music coming, that remain also in my favorite list.
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moshkito
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 06:02 |
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Hi,
After nearly 60 years of appreciating music, I have found that "favorites" are an elusive idea ... and tomorrow there will be another one. My point has been for a long time, that if you LOVE MUSIC, it doesn't matter what it is, you will always find something good everywhere that is attractive, and I can not (usually) get over the feeling that there is a side of the folks in PA that do not listen to "anything else", which to me, is weird, and a severe limitation as to what THE MUSIC EXPERIENCE is all about ... so the harlem kids are just that ... a bunch of kids with no music ... those Barcelona pickers that make rockers look like idiots wouldn't know music from their street learning ... those dancers in Africa wouldn't know "music" but they have danced since the day they were born ... This is a "pop" board and place, so it would be normal to see so many folks talking about their favorites, but still ... I can't even think of a favorite after so many years of listening to a very wide variety of music's from all over the world ... and I won't try to start now. Above all ... favorite does not mean it's the best, either ... it's just a favorite, and many fans need to wake up to that, instead of maintaining a teen attitude. But seeing that "teen" attitude as you get older, is a bit off the charts for me, and weird. The world is flat!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 06:13 |
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If there's a list of, say, 20 albums, and I'm asked to pick my favorite, then I pick the one that I like the most. I don't know in how many ways you can do that. If I were to go through my album collection and pick my X favorites, it'd be a gut feeling thing, you can't really do it any way other than that AFAIK. It's just a subjective preference.
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mathman0806
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 06:34 |
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I see. I usually go with what my first reaction is, but not always. If there is several I could choose, but I haven't listened to in a while, I might relisten and think about it. If I don't know enough I might skip. I might explore if I have some time. But it is about the invidual album or artist I prefer. I don't usually compare. |
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David_D
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 09:30 |
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Thanks for all the nice and interesting posts so far, not least yours, Manuel and Mosh.
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I prophesy disaster
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 10:35 |
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I can think of four ways to pick a favourite: The one you currently like the most. The one you like the most of all time. The one you are currently playing the most. The one you have played the most over all time. Whereas the first two are based on "gut feeling", the latter two could in principle be objectively measured. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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I prophesy disaster
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 10:57 |
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The problem here is that when the OP asks for some specific number of favourites, that number might not be appropriate for particular people to reply to. Most commonly, the OP asks for too many, but sometimes people might have a grouping of favourites that makes little sense to break apart for the sake of the OP's choice of number. I would prefer to allow people to reply with their own choice of number, the number that makes most sense to them. For example, when asked to list my favourite groups, the most appropriate number of favourite groups for me is one: Van der Graaf Generator - I quite simply have no other favourite groups - I have albums I love from many groups, but only VdGG qualifies as a favourite group. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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David_D
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 12:59 |
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Actually, I've started not so few threads with this thought on my mind. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 13:43 |
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Based on the most number of CD albums owned, these are my Top 14 favourite prog artists.*
Barclay James Harvest Camel Caravan Genesis Jethro Tull Led Zeppelin The Moody Blues Mike Oldfield Pink Floyd Renaissance Santana Tangerine Dream Uriah Heep YES * At least eight albums owned by each artist listed.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 13:52 |
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I think these polls are rather pointless. People are bored and/or have too much spare time, and I've engaged in some of these polls from time to time, but in the end these polls vanish in the forum archives, and the results are forgotten. IMHO it is better to rate and tag music either here or on other music websites, and to browse those websites to learn about new artists and releases.
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Cristi
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 15:35 |
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I've learned about plenty of new music because of artists and albums mentioned in polls. So it's never pointless. Also these polls often create very nice discussions, so like I said- not pointless.
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: August 19 2023 at 16:03 |
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Yeah, you can measure the latter two. But you won't end up with a list of favorites. There's some albums that I'd consider among my top 10 or so that I rarely listen to because you have to be in the mood for them or because I don't want to grow bored of them, and there's others that I return to regularly. There's albums I listen to a lot right now, but that doesn't mean they'll end up among my favorites - sometimes you get bored of an album that initially was something you keep coming back for, while others have staying power.
Yeah, but that's part of the fun, and makes the choice more meaningful. It also makes reading other people's lists much more meaningful. Adjusting it downward isn't really a problem, and I get that it can be difficult to pick what to include and what to exclude. For example, for me, whenever I mention my favorite albums, I usually find it impossible to pick between my two favorite Steely Dan albums, and I usually tie them. But some people go way overboard, and then it no longer really is your favorites, but just a list of things you like. It lowers the bar of what you allow to include. |
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David_D
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Posted: August 20 2023 at 06:24 |
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It could be interesting, Paul, if you could tell something more about how you look at the whole subject. I'm not least impressed by your ability to be apparently able to rank almost everything.  |
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Lewian
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Posted: August 20 2023 at 06:32 |
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Well, the OP doesn't have dictatorship authority. I like restrictive "rules" but then I don't mind much if somebody breaks them. It's a game, sure, but one that I don't lose if somebody else doesn't play by the rules. (And I may have posted more than 10 on occasion when somebody asked for a "Top 10 of something".
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moshkito
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Posted: August 20 2023 at 06:43 |
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Hi, To me, this is a really sad comment, on a lot of folks in the medium, that are not helping, and think that their way is better than any one's thoughts, opinions or polls. For someone running something where the inmates rule, this is a very strange comment ... like the same/similar thing doesn't happen over there, with folks voting on something that many of them have not even heard in its entirety, and sometimes based on one song. I think the folks on PA are a bit more inclusive and helpful to a band and its work, even if I criticize things here and there ... but the comments are about defending the music ... not a fan! If you were a musician trying hard, you want some respect and appreciation, and someone saying that your work, or someone's poll including your work, is meaningless ... you wouldn't like it ... I get the thought that some folks want to make sure they sound bigger and better than the musicians, and that's not right, and neither is it fair ... the musician had the guts to put his heart on the line ...
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suitkees
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Posted: August 20 2023 at 08:39 |
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Most of the albums I have in my collection are favourites. To me, it would be a pointless exercise to rank or to rate them, and I therefore have much trouble in listing them as is being asked in the current flurry of 7x7 and 10x10 listings. That is why I don't participate in these listing exercises, nor do I rate album here on PA (nor elsewhere) because I don't find pleasure in it and thus don't want to spend time on it. It is however nice to read those listings and rankings and sometimes it can inspire me to listen to albums that I don't know or haven't heard since some time. Polls are a fun way to be confronted with a more or less random selection and to think about which one I would prefer. The most interesting ones are those with - to me - new bands/artist and to listen to them. That is how I discovered some new acts and albums, thanks to these threads. The most "productive" in that regard have been the Interactive Polls for me: lots of new discoveries generally of high quality.
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Posted: August 20 2023 at 10:41 |
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If I’m asked about choosing a favourite it generally is about consistency for me - either as a band over their discography, or within an album, depending on the question! But some of my favourite bands are also quite inconsistent, overall and within some albums - but when they’re good, they’re very very good (Marillion, DT, Genesis to name but a few)😎
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