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Anyway, with the popularity of Metal, it may turn again, as ELP is more Metal-like than Camel. Big smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Anyway, with the popularity of Metal, it may turn again, as ELP is more Metal-like than Camel. Big smile

Popularity of metal?! Again generalizing. It's still a niche genre, just like prog. 
 


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^ metal a niche genre? No way. It's always been more popular than prog. It never stopped being popular since the 1980s. Metallica's Black Album has sold over 35 million copies! No prog band can even come close.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ metal a niche genre? No way. It's always been more popular than prog. It never stopped being popular since the 1980s. Metallica's Black Album has sold over 35 million copies! No prog band can even come close.

A few albums that sold well does not mean the genre is popular. 
It also depends where you live. There are countries where it is more popular than other places. 
It depends on the subgenre, some are more popular than others. 


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^ no way. Metal is one of the most popular genres EVER

Approximately 1500 metal albums are on the RYM top 10,000 album list of all time.
That's competing with every genre ever invented

Dozens of bands have sold millions and millions of albums not just Metallica

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Pop and other genres of music are constantly playing on commercials, radio, and TV. It is usual for people to assume that heavy metal music is no longer a thing. Research conducted by Spotify reveals that heavy metal is the most popular music genre

Likewise metal is one of the most popular styles of prog

Is it THE MOST popular genre of all time? Nope but it's more than just a niche at this point.

It's a force to be reckoned with

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ no way. Metal is one of the most popular genres EVER
Approximately 1500 metal albums are on the RYM top 10,000 album list of all time.
That's competing with every genre ever invented
Dozens of bands have sold millions and millions of albums not just Metallica
and then there's this:

Pop and other genres of music are constantly playing on commercials, radio, and TV. It is usual for people to assume that heavy metal music is no longer a thing. Research conducted by Spotify reveals that heavy metal is the most popular music genre

Likewise metal is one of the most popular styles of prog
Is it THE MOST popular genre of all time? Nope but it's more than just a niche at this point.
It's a force to be reckoned with

Research from spotify?! I LOLed and cringed at the same time. I wonder what metal bands are so popular on spotyfry. Other than the famous ones and whatever is trending now in the mainstream. 

You ignored what i previously said. It depends where you live. If you don't get that, I'll just see myself out... 
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Metal has to be waaay bigger than prog. Yes Cristi, depends where you live, but Spotify ain’t wrong on this overall….
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Metal has to be waaay bigger than prog.

You're probably right, I just think these two genres of music have specific audiences, with specific expectations generally (if that makes sense).
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Wow. Great job and great list! I don't agree with everything 100 percent but then again it's not your list of personal favorites anyway (although I'm sure you like a lot as do I). I'm not really much into prog metal but being how popular it seems to be you can't really not include it. Anyway, thanks for doing it. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Wow. Great job and great list! I don't agree with everything 100 percent but then again it's not your list of personal favorites anyway (although I'm sure you like a lot as do I). I'm not really much into prog metal but being how popular it seems to be you can't really not include it. Anyway, thanks for doing it. 


If this was a list of my personal favorites it would've been waaaaaaay different! I don't like Genesis much at all and probably wouldn't have made it on the list at all! Thanks for the kind words :)

Yeah and the distinctions between rock and metal have been blurred in the 21st century so i see no reason to not mix them. Same with certain electronic and folk bands. And of course nobody will agree with any list! That's why i made my own :)

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^You're right. There's especially blurry lines when we talk about the distinction between heavy prog and prog metal. This site has Haken as heavy prog and Riverside as prog metal where if anything it should be the other way around. At some point some prog bands started to put metal in their- prog without being prog metal (and it's hard to say when it started -although a band I mention a bit on here called Mastermind might have been one of the first - not counting someone like King Crimson) . Even back in the 70s there was a blur between hard rock and metal and I have read that Aerosmith, Ted Nugent and Kiss were all considered heavy metal back then (probably Van Halen too). 

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^ totally agree about Riverside and Haken switching places here :)

Yeah in the 70s most bands today are labeled as both hard rock and heavy metal because every album featured songs that were indeed heavy metal and songs that weren't heavy enough to escape the confines of hard rock status. In the 2000s even neo-prog bands have added metal elements after Porcupine Tree took metal into the world of space rock. Even Hawkwind started out with a near metal guitar heft with their unique space rock. Some of the newer prog / avant / metal bands are much more rooted in 20th century classical than anything from the world of rock or trad metal. It's a full time job keeping up with it!

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