Roger Waters - Dark Side of the Moon Redux 2023 |
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UnderGround
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DSoTM was the last Pink Floyd album that wrote the songs by all members of Floyd(others less and others more) and the best one for me. So I think he shouldn't have re-recorded it...
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moshkito
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Hi, Again, that's strange ... they own the dang thing and can do with it as they please. RW has every right to redo it any way he sees fit. We, however, do not have to buy it, and certainly don't need to be making comments that disregard the ownership of the music altogether. Heck if Ian wants to redo some of his early stuff, why can't he? He owns it! It just shows the wide gulf by people that really don't seem to understand, or appreciate what an artist and his work is all about. Let me tell you it's not about the so many senseless comments here ... you're not the artist or the owner of the music! Case closed. You simply don't have to buy it, and end the story!
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The Dark Elf
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Nonsense. It's simply a hubristic ego trip for a pompous 80 year-old who lost his singing voice years ago. There's is nothing "progressive" about it. What, did Roger get tired of cashing in on his never ending The Wall tours he's been on for a couple decades, and needs a new more reliable funding source? Oh, and none of the Beatles wasted time on re-doing Sgt. Peppers or Abbey Road in their entirety. They moved on. People doing covers of The Beatles honors the band, they are not meant to eradicate the past, as Waters has with songs like "Have a Cigar" which Roy Harper sang so brilliantly. Roger never forgave Roy for being able to sing the song better than he could.
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mellotronwave
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useless rework imo
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Mormegil
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Meh, pass . . .
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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fredyair
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Listened to the "new" Money and for me is enough to say it is a failed enterprise. He could not stop his ego and started blabbering in the middle of the song about his grievances with society and a bunch of nonsensical ideas unless he's giving out the music for free, which he is not, so instead the magnificent Gilmour solo we get the greatest magnificent your majesty Lord Waters telling us what he thinks. OK Rogers, you lost me.
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Long live Progresive music!
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Total Crap!
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Stressed Cheese
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No we haven't.
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Easy Money
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Dark side of the billionaire corporate rock star.
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Personally, I like this reinterpretation of Money.
I'm curious to hear an adaptation of this classic that we all know... and I can't wait. He composed it with the others, it's his right. After 50 years, I find it interesting to hear a reinterpretation by one of the members of the band at the time.
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barbera
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I must confess, remakes have never been a bother to me personally, but when it comes to TDSOTM I find myself treading a unique path. Money it's the one track that's never managed to win me over entirely and with this flat and monotonous essence, I can't help but wonder if it's perhaps not suitable for a low vocal performance. It seems to be filled with messages rather than the ethereal magic of music that resonates within the whole TDSOFM or at least the sonic concept. But I won't be too quick to judge. There's a curious twist awaiting as we consider how "Money" may fit into the grand tapestry of the album. As we wait for the rest of the pieces to fall into place, could it be that its purpose becomes more apparent? After all, artistic expression knows no boundaries (and the creative genius of Roger Waters certainly possesses the right to rewrite his own material as he sees fit) and who are we to challenge the vision of a mastermind?
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EXACTLY
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Sean Trane
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I have no problems with Money's rework, however I hope he doesn't do the same for the rest of the album the same way (same sonics) On some launching video, there is a bit of Breathe, and it doesn't sound all that different of the new version Money. In that case (the whole album being that way), I'm out.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Hi, I think we have to be careful here. Classical music, for many years, was almost enjoyed depending on the conductor since many of them had different points of interpretation that made the music seem different. I never thought that it sounded "wrong" or "bad", just slightly different. Seeing the same piece, in rock music, done differently, is no big deal and I find it rather weird, maybe naive, that we take such a hard core thought about it ... you could even mention the Stokowski conducting, who was known to setup the orchestra differently simply to get the better effect he wanted on the recording ... again, it doesn't change the music, but it gives it a slightly different interpretation. It's just bizarre, some of the folks here taking a "purist" point of view, knowing that in a few years they will be all dead, as we also will, and someone else will play it and it won't be the same thing ... it's different people in a different time! Please let it go ... if you don't care for it, it's OK to say it, but don't trash some of the things that will be remembered for a very long time, because they were special ... and deserve the attention they are getting with updates and all that. Music, is not about you "like it" ... and Mozart and Beethoven and Beatles are still around even if you don't like it, and the versions and different recordings all have a lot of moments to offer, that might make us feel different about the piece of music ... THAT'S OK ... music does that and has done that for many years ... don't take that away from it, please.
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Stressed Cheese
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It's fine to re-do rock albums, it's fine for RW to remake DSOTM, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the reasons he's doing it, criticize the music, criticize the very idea of remakes, or be skeptical of the end product. The way some people defend this redux, you'd think you're not allowed to criticize any album.
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If all the album is sung this way, he can stick it up his @ss...
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barbera
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Everyone has the right to express their critiques and I've had the opportunity to experience both Roger Waters live performances and Pink Floyd without Waters. Personally, I find Roger Waters' take on the old Pink Floyd material to be more captivating and creatively reimagined, whereas David Gilmour's versions often seem somewhat flat in comparison, sticking with the albums versions. Waters consistently surprises me with new and unexpected elements in his performances, whereas with Gilmour, I can anticipate how he'll interpret Pink Floyd's music. I'll reserve my final judgment until I hear the entire "redux" album, but as of now, I have a strong preference for the original version of Money.
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Sean Trane
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One thing is for sure: we all know Waters is right about his recent DSOTM claim about the concept of it. Can't see Gilmour and Wright (let alone Mason) write lyrics of that value. Gilmour's silence on this issue is quite revealing.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Will never be as good as the original, but that's a given. Could be decent if you don't mind his politics, and he doesn't larp as Leonard Cohen for the whole thing. This choice of track does seem ironic, though...
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I've read arguments in other places that this version is the "older" Roger Waters version of DSOTM, paying tribute to his younger days when the album was created.
But on his website he talks about "...also to re-address the political and emotional message of the whole album.." Maybe just me but I've never viewed the original with a political message. Roger is so infatuated with politics he may be trying to alter the meaning of the album today??
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