the future of Dutch and German lyrics

Hi,

This is the part of our discussion and the type/style of music that hurts everyone, and makes it once again, the new law that the one who sells the most is right, and that would mean that anything in any European or worldly language could not possibly compete with English.

French has its emotional side and expression, that is less mental, than English if you start with Shakespeare.

Italian is very expressive on a personal level, and has been for a long time, even in opera.

Spanish has done well, but I think their tradition to the flamenco and the guitar, have hurt the development of new music styles. But the singing style still stood up ... a sort of "solo" voice amidst the instruments.

Germany is a bit different for me. The schlagger is a copy of western music. The "krautrock" is something that is completely anti-western music in its expression, in favor of something else that we have a hard time describing and discussing. But you know that it is intense and strong. Reminds me of some AD2 lyrics, that we think are psychedelic and in the end, they are much less psychedelic than they are a really pointed finger at various things. And the translations of a lot of these things falls off badly, since we do not understand or get the feeling behind it.

You can see Italian quite well in the translations for PFM, Le Orme and Banco. In all cases, the Italian sounds much prettier and the words do not throw off the singer's ideas and concepts. But in English, the words are a bit less clear and make the understanding of the pieces more difficult.

Result? If they have to sing in English ... their inner soul is probably already gone, because they can not express in English the soul that their language possesses, they were born with ... and it won't sound quite right. And here, many folks are letting metal and growl hide the language altogether .... which is another story.

Hi,

Having been involved in several languages and literature. the one thing that one learns really quick is that translations stink and then some. So, I have seen several translations from the Portuguese original of Camoes famous poem (Alma Minha Gentil) and have read at least 5 translations and they were all awful to my mind, in that the original feeling and flow of the words is simply not there, and an elegant academic translation is not the answer for something that is dramatic and (in modern terms) cinematic! A couple of translations were literal, and they missed the point also.

My dad also did several translations of Shakespeare, two of which are (apparently) still used in Portugal ... I find that weird ... but in comparing the two, I found that he tried hard to make sure that you knew how the character felt ... and that made for a nice translation.

Rock music is tough. We have not "allowed" several cultures to develop these things ... we automatically dismiss ANGE, MONA LISA and some other French folks, and their music is so very much like the emotional material on a lot of their history and arts ... so we still won't bother listening to the Decamps Project, because it is in French, and the music itself is far out.

The idea of the Euro was to facilitate the commerce in Europe between so many nations. The idea of a "common language" had the same idea, with one serious issue here ... the market for the material was in America more than anything else ... if you took America out, no one would be complaining about the different languages, but here, it is a problem ... and the inevitable comment is that folks won't listen to anything out of their comfort zone which is true ... you're not quite going to change the country and western music over here on the West Coast in Oregon and Washington states ... but as soon as you leave Portland, you will rarely hear anything else.