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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Topic: James Hetfield - Pull Me UnderPosted: July 20 2023 at 02:00 |
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The wonders of AI ... definitely "interesting"
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bardberic
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 02:22 |
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I mean there's nothing really that wonderful about AI - it's just the application of essentially glorified markov chains - "AI" as we know it is a long while away and frightens the hell out of me, aside from the fact that proper intelligence generated from a nonorganic object (eg a computer) is horrible unethical, imo. But let's not get me started on that. Speaking of Metallica, the music video for One features scenes from a post-WWI film about a man who has lost his limbs and sight, and is paralyzed; he's basically trapped in a nightmare in which he doesn't know if he is awake or dreaming. Imagine this, but no sense of hearing, touch, or imagination. That would be the "life" (if you could call it that) of an AI... sentient. But I digress. That's just science fiction at this point, and there's a good chance we'll never get to that point (and hopefully that's the case).
This video horrifies me, not because "Hetfield's" voice is uncanny (and the end of all his words is creepy), but precisely because one day it WON'T be uncanny anymore. It's convincing as it is now (the "inhaling" after every word screams AI, however). There will come a point where humans won't be able to decipher between what's AI generated and what's real, and people are going to get real f**ked over. Why as a society not only are we not challenging this future but actually embracing it I will never know. But that's a pessimistic outlook. Remember how I stated that AI is basically just the application of glorified markov chains? That means that as AI penetrates the internet further, the information that it is being fed to generate said markov chains will start coming from other AI output. This means they "human touch" of AI will eventually be lost, in applications in which the "AI" feeds from large samples (eg, ChatGPT). Yes, AI will eventually begin to inbreed, if you will, and the "wonders" of "AI" will start to become lost... on a grand scale. At least that's my personal belief. Of course the situation will only get worse before it gets better. But in cases where the "AI" is fed very specific information, such as eponymous-era James Hetfield's voice, the accuracy will only continue to improve. This feeds into my fear that people are going to get f**ked... Edit: Also, why is this under "prog polls? I don't see any polls here. You're not an an inbred AI sentient, are you?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 02:41 |
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It's under prog polls by mistake - I'm not that intelligent, admittedly ;-)
I agree, this is scary/depressing and inherently uncanny. I've not seen/heard any AI generated content yet which wasn't uncanny. There are situations though where it goes well with the music ... |
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bardberic
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 03:03 |
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What I find the most distressing about all of this is the anti-AI mechanisms used to catch "cheaters" in school.
You know a university professor checked an essay he wrote in the 1980s - hopefully without AI - and the "AI Checker" accused him of using AI. This is going to ruin people's lives. f**k this. Nope. And the effect that these... essentially witch huts are going to have on our children is heartbreaking. It's sad enough that everything is virtual in school at this point, and students used to have to wear masks. This generation of children is going to have some serious trust problems after all of this.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 03:49 |
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^ The underlying problem in society is that people outsource their thinking - be it to AI, or to the news on tv ... any time someone asks a question, people instead of thinking about the answer scramble to find an answer on their source of truth (tv/internet/ai/etc), and then present that to you. If you refuse it, they will demand "research" that trumps theirs, no matter the reason for the rejection. Often the reason is a logical fallacy, in which case it is non-sensical to ask for references or "research".
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Rottenprogger
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 04:16 |
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This is anti-art. Simple as that.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 04:19 |
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^ I disagree - it's a tool like everything else. I'd say though that anything generated by AI can only become art when an actual human being uses it.
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 10:08 |
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I don't hear a huge difference maybe because that DT track already sounds a little bit like Metallica.
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 11:15 |
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^Agreed. I'll also state that to my geez ears it doesn't sound like Hetfield. Interesting yes.
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bardberic
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Posted: July 20 2023 at 13:55 |
I mean I don't have an issue with AI being used for original art, such as in the case of this video. When it's used for impersonation, cheating, anti-cheating, "beautification" (eg, Instagram filters), and other measures I find unethical, then I have issues. I don't like how 90% of AI art is regurgitated garbage, which makes the majority of "AI Artists" look low-effort and unoriginal, yet I don't see it being problematic per se; but in cases like this video, where the uncanny psychedelic product that AI generates actually works then it is actually kind of cool - really shows how powerful probabilistic predication can be. But it's a powerful tool that can be too easily abused for non-artistic purposes, and impersonation, like the Hetfield video, is a no-go for me.
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Posted: July 21 2023 at 11:00 |
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isn't some kind of copywrite law broken with this AI thing?
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Posted: July 21 2023 at 13:03 |
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It is interesting. This AI tool could potentially spark creativity instead of being used as a method for cheating. It depends on how you use it and who uses it. There are countless bands today who auto-generate their album covers with AI. Personally, I don't like to do that. I want my album covers to be recognizable as my unique style. Most AI-made album covers (and every single one that was not edited/reworked by a human being) look very predictable, bland and have that fake, cookie cutter vibe to it.
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terramystic
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Posted: July 21 2023 at 14:24 |
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It doesn't sound very convincing for now.
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Posted: July 22 2023 at 16:53 |
That sounds absolutely nothing like Freddie Mercury, that's for sure. |
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Posted: July 22 2023 at 17:12 |
It sounds like ass.
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Posted: July 23 2023 at 01:17 |
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Apparently there is an AI version of My Heart Will Go On with "Freddie" on "vocals".
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Posted: July 23 2023 at 02:34 |
Yup, I really don't like AI for the future of mankind either. Even the proposed truce from one of the worst arseholes on the planet hasn't be observed. He was on about thinking of where AI would lead, but plenty of potential wrongdoers don't want to put a "frame" around it. It will not be used wisely - probably (read most likely) will make cheating even more "undetectable". As for checking who has cheated in school copy/pasting the work of others, my opinion is that there are plenty of them since the 00's. Before that (the birth of copy/paste), you could plagiarize someone else' work, but you still had to retype the text, which means that you had to at least read it (and appropriate the knowledge in it). Plenty of "Kids" nowadays haven't even read their own thesis. .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: July 23 2023 at 16:52 |
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Stumbled across this one. Would I think this was James Hetfield singing? Probably not, but I can hear traits of his voice.
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Posted: July 24 2023 at 00:03 |
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^ There is a whole youtube channel with AI Hetfield "singing".
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Posted: July 24 2023 at 11:47 |
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I saw a couple videos of an AI Phil Collins singing songs from Calling All Stations. Needless to say, I ended up back at GilstrapTV.
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