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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ And their opinion differs slightly from the folks at metal-archives.com. The emerging picture that is consistent with most viewpoints is that there were different phases of metal: 

1. a classic, pioneering phase in the 70s
2. the NWOBHM in the late 70s and early 80s
3. "modern" metal in the early 80s and beyond

All we're basically arguing about is what to call them, and which albums qualify - which will be an eternal discussion LOL

That's why we are members of forums, right? LOL
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ And their opinion differs slightly from the folks at metal-archives.com. The emerging picture that is consistent with most viewpoints is that there were different phases of metal: 

1. a classic, pioneering phase in the 70s
2. the NWOBHM in the late 70s and early 80s
3. "modern" metal in the early 80s and beyond

All we're basically arguing about is what to call them, and which albums qualify - which will be an eternal discussion LOL


What about all the forms of metal that MA fails to acknowledge as being connected with the genre (and has done so for decades)? Don't they still omit Tool, of all bands, from their database? Confused
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

What about all the forms of metal that MA fails to acknowledge as being connected with the genre (and has done so for decades)? Don't they still omit Tool, of all bands, from their database? Confused

This is exactly why we need to think for ourselves rather than simply accept the next-best website as an authority. As a non-music example, check out nutritionfacts.org. It's a vegan propaganda website and it only appears to be an authority because the owner was lucky to grab that domain name first.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Kill 'em All could very well be the beginning of "Metal", while the 70s laid the foundations with their "Heavy Metal" albums:

Rock/Blues
->
Heavy Rock/Blues / Hard Rock
-> 
New Wave of British Heavy Metal
->
(Modern) Metal
-> 
Thrash Metal / Death Metal / Black Metal / ...



Kill Em ALl the beginning of metal? OMG. Are you serious?
Metallica didn't even release the first thrash much less metal.
Both Sodom and Holy Moses released thrash metal before Metallica.
But come on a couple of primitively recorded german cassette demos weren't game-changers like Kill 'Em All was. Your revisionist way of thinking is nice for shining a light on overlooked bands and stuff, but not helpful in understanding music history. Era defining albums is rarely about being the very first, but the first that was widely listened to and the most influential. As with In the Court... or Bitches Brew before - for Prog and Fusion. Anyway I just wrote what I mean when I state just "metal" - and don't specify any further like with "heavy metal". If someone tells me "I listen to a lot of metal" I will associate with another kind of metal than someone saying "I listen to a lot of heavy metal".
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Imo there is a before and after Kill ‘Em All. To those who heard it, it sounded harder and more aggressive than anything before. And as it actually sold a few copies - it made the biggest waves. But there’s no before and after Witching Metal (or Satan's Angel), as hardly anyone knew of its existence back then. Just like In the Court... is much better than anything by The Nice - Kill 'Em All is obviously of a much higher than quality than those earlier, thrashy demos too.


So you're saying Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Ozzy Osbourne, Angel Witch, Pagan Altar, Saxon, Accept, Riot, Heavy Load, Scorpions, Venom, Witchfinder General, Tank, Cirith Ungol, Tygers of Pan Thang, Holocaust, Raven, Trust, Picture, Legend, Quartz, Samson, ManillaRoad, Loudness, Killer, Kimmo Kuusniemi Band and Fist, JUST TO NAME A FEW, weren't metal before Metallica?

Those German demos were only pointed out to show that Metallica didn't INVENT thrash metal. Of course they get credit for popularizing it. The claim was Kill Em All was the FIRST METAL ALBUM. Hardly.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ And their opinion differs slightly from the folks at metal-archives.com. The emerging picture that is consistent with most viewpoints is that there were different phases of metal: 

1. a classic, pioneering phase in the 70s
2. the NWOBHM in the late 70s and early 80s
3. "modern" metal in the early 80s and beyond

All we're basically arguing about is what to call them, and which albums qualify - which will be an eternal discussion LOL


Metal Archives is actually quite lame although they have an impressive database of obscure death metal and black metal bands. They wouldn't even include bands like Meshuggah and any djent or metalcore (or any -core) bands for the longest time UNTIL the fans demanded they add them!

Also they don't include a lot of alternative metal bands etc. Yeah there will never be an absolute agreement on these terms of where and when certain tagging should begin but what RYM and MMA uses is good enough for me. 70s heavy metal is still metal.

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I must have about at least 50 special favourites. The first ten that initially comes to my mind are below.

1- Beyond Twilight - For the Love of Art and the Making
2- Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
3- Amorphis - Tuonela
4- Bruce Dickinson - The Chemical Wedding
5- Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands
6- In Flames - The Jester Race
7- Opeth - Morningrise
8- Nightwish - Oceanborn
9- Dream Theater Awake
10- Therion - Vovin

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Kill 'em All could very well be the beginning of "Metal", while the 70s laid the foundations with their "Heavy Metal" albums:

Rock/Blues
->
Heavy Rock/Blues / Hard Rock
-> 
New Wave of British Heavy Metal
->
(Modern) Metal
-> 
Thrash Metal / Death Metal / Black Metal / ...



Kill Em ALl the beginning of metal? OMG. Are you serious?
Metallica didn't even release the first thrash much less metal.
Both Sodom and Holy Moses released thrash metal before Metallica.
But come on a couple of primitively recorded german cassette demos weren't game-changers like Kill 'Em All was. Your revisionist way of thinking is nice for shining a light on overlooked bands and stuff, but not helpful in understanding music history. Era defining albums is rarely about being the very first, but the first that was widely listened to and the most influential. As with In the Court... or Bitches Brew before - for Prog and Fusion. Anyway I just wrote what I mean when I state just "metal" - and don't specify any further like with "heavy metal". If someone tells me "I listen to a lot of metal" I will associate with another kind of metal than someone saying "I listen to a lot of heavy metal".
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Imo there is a before and after Kill ‘Em All. To those who heard it, it sounded harder and more aggressive than anything before. And as it actually sold a few copies - it made the biggest waves. But there’s no before and after Witching Metal (or Satan's Angel), as hardly anyone knew of its existence back then. Just like In the Court... is much better than anything by The Nice - Kill 'Em All is obviously of a much higher than quality than those earlier, thrashy demos too.


So you're saying Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Ozzy Osbourne, Angel Witch, Pagan Altar, Saxon, Accept, Riot, Heavy Load, Scorpions, Venom, Witchfinder General, Tank, Cirith Ungol, Tygers of Pan Thang, Holocaust, Raven, Trust, Picture, Legend, Quartz, Samson, ManillaRoad, Loudness, Killer, Kimmo Kuusniemi Band and Fist, JUST TO NAME A FEW, weren't metal before Metallica?

Those German demos were only pointed out to show that Metallica didn't INVENT thrash metal. Of course they get credit for popularizing it. The claim was Kill Em All was the FIRST METAL ALBUM. Hardly.


I didn't claim anything, but explained my way of thinking. I'm not talking about "inventions". I don't really think of musical nuances in in that way. As inventions I mean. Thrash Metal wasn't invented by anyone. It's parts from here and there. I think by large it's a pointless and inane way of looking at art. If you do something and no one takes notice, you're not part of the the story anyway. Metallica however, were noticed.

-for the large part I think of those bands you mention as Heavy Metal. While the short form Metal I associate with post 1970's & early 1980's. I won't bother writing the same one more time.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The claim was Kill Em All was the FIRST METAL ALBUM. Hardly.[/COLOR]


That was not my claim. First, I used conditional language - second, I put “Metal” in quotes, on purpose. Kill ‘em All was about 1983. It, together with many other albums of the early 80s, may have kicked off the third phase of metal. You mentioned Iron Maiden - they also changed notably in style. Compare their debut with Powerslave, and the difference between the phases might become more palpable.
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I think we have reached the point of diminishing return here. I suggest that we cease this circular discussion and allow some people to post their top 10's unhindered by the back and forth. 
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The fact how much the music is based on Blues can't IMO be the central point of Metal definition because if it was, we couldn't 
distinguish between Metal and other very little Blues-based genres. 
As I see it, more central points are heavy, aggressive power-chord based riffs with a lot of distortion, specific rhythms 
and drumming styles.






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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The claim was Kill Em All was the FIRST METAL ALBUM. Hardly.[/COLOR]


That was not my claim. First, I used conditional language - second, I put “Metal” in quotes, on purpose. Kill ‘em All was about 1983. It, together with many other albums of the early 80s, may have kicked off the third phase of metal. You mentioned Iron Maiden - they also changed notably in style. Compare their debut with Powerslave, and the difference between the phases might become more palpable.


Ah... got it. I get where you were coming from now. If you're referring to "Metal" as the next phase then that makes total sense however some of us do consider early Maiden and many others as "Metal" and not "Heavy Metal." It's an arbitrary line that we personalize i know. Any way. It's all good no matter what we call it :)

I can't possibly pick 10 albums of all-time. I probably couldn't even pick 100 so i'll have to abstain from the actual intent of this thread.

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I think we have reached the point of diminishing return here. I suggest that we cease this circular discussion and allow some people to post their top 10's unhindered by the back and forth. 


But Sir Ian, "Back And Forth" is in the true spirit of METAL!!!! Clown

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Ah... got it. I get where you were coming from now. If you're referring to "Metal" as the next phase then that makes total sense however some of us do consider early Maiden and many others as "Metal" and not "Heavy Metal." It's an arbitrary line that we personalize i know. Any way. It's all good no matter what we call it :)


Yes, I think that the IM debut is still NWOBHM, Killers is on the edge, and everything after is “Metal”. More riff oriented. Scorpions might have beaten them to it with Blackout, which btw was the first record I ever bought.
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I can only give five because Metal is just NOT my genre, but I would say:

5. Vovoid - Nothingface
4. Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
3. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
2. Edge of Sanity - Crimson
1. Black Sabbath - Paranoid

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Originally posted by Boi_da_boi_124 Boi_da_boi_124 wrote:

I can only give five because Metal is just NOT my genre, but I would say:

5. Vovoid - Nothingface

When Metal is just NOT your genre, I'm impressed with this one. Thumbs Up
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non-prog, one-per-band, alphabetical order:

Agalloch - The Mantle
Cradle Of Filth - Cruelty And The Beast
Deftones - Koi No Yokan
Estatic Fear - Somnium Obmutum
HIM - Venus Doom
Iron Maiden - Brave New World
Ministry - Filth Pig
My Dying Bride - The Dreadful Hours
Rammstein - Reise Reise
Subrosa - More Constant Than The Gods

there are also non-metal releases that I love, but by metal bands (Paradise Lost - Host, Deafheaven - Inifinte Granite, Metallica - Reload, etc), won't include these here
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Metal is not my genre but I have a soft spot for a few bands. Here's my holy metal trinity:

Dream Theater - Images And Words
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Angra - Holy Land / Holy Live

From time to time I also like:
Ingwie Malmsteen - Rising Force / Concerto Suite
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I'm going to make another post here, since it is difficult for me to compare different subgenres of metal in a top ten list like this. So I am making three different lists with the top ten from each of my favorite metal categories. Prog and prog related metal, Doom and doom-related metal, and Death and Black metal.

Prog (adjacent):
1.) The Never Ending Way of ORwarriOR, Orphaned Land (2010) [Israel]
2.) The Art of Life, X Japan (1993) [Japan]
3.) Exodus: Slaves for Life, Amaseffer (2008) [Israel]
4.) Strangers, Scardust (2020) [Israel]
5.) V: The New Mythology Suite, Symphony X (2000) [New Jersey, USA]
6.) In a Flesh Aquarium, Unexepct (2006) [Quebec, Canada]
7.) In Forgotten Sleep, Lör (2017) [Pennsylvania, USA]
8.) 殯――死へ耽る想いは戮辱すら喰らい、彼方の生を愛する為に命を讃える――。, Imperial Circus Dead Decadence (2022) [Japan]
9.) The Dot Above the Eye, Venus in Fear (2018) [Israel]
10.) Magma, Gojira (2016) [France/Pennsylvania, USA]

Honorable Mentions:
* Fishing for an Apparition, Iomair (2022) [Ontario, Canada]
* Humananke, Embrace of Disharmony (2017) [Italy]
* The Director's Cut, Fantômas (2001) [California, USA]
* Liquid Tension Experiment 2, Liquid Tension Experiment (1999) [New York, USA]

Doom (adjeacent); note that since Advaitic Songs is really only borderline metal, I have 11 listed here:
1.) Through Silver in Blood, Neurosis (1996) [California, USA]
2.) Lysol, Melvins (1992) [Washington state, USA]
3.) Amplifier Worship, Boris (1998) [Japan]
4.) Advaitic Songs, Om (2012) [California, USA]
5.) Transcendence Into the Peripheral, disEMBOWELMENT (1993) [Australia]
6.) El Norra Alila, Orphaned Land (1996) [Israel]
7.) קדישKaddish, Salem (1994) [Israel]
8.) Nighttime Stories, Pelican (2019) [Illlinois, USA]
9.) Nightfall, Candlemass (1987) [Sweden]
10.) Folium Limina, The Otolith (2022) [Utah, USA]
11.) Saint Vitus, Saint Vitus (1984) [California, USA]

Honorable Mentions:
* Dopesmoker, Sleep (2003) [California, USA]
* In the Name of Suffering, Eyehategod (1992) [Louisiana, USA]
* Foreverglade, Worm (2021) [Florida, USA]
* Primitive and Deadly, Earth (2014) [Washington state, USA]
* Electric Messiah, High on Fire (2018) [California, USA]

Death/Black Metal:
1.) Feathers and Flesh, Avatar (2016) [Sweden]
2.) Hidden History of the Human Race, Blood Incantation (2019) [Colorado, USA]
3.) Mental Funeral, Autopsy (1990) [California, USA]
4.) Moringrise, Opeth (1996) [Sweden]
5.) Annihilation of the Wicked, Nile (2005) [South Carolina, USA]
6.) Maestro, Winterhorde (2016) [Israel]
7.) Symbolic, Death (1995) [Florida, USA]
8.) King, Fleshgod Apocalypse (2016) [Italy]
9.) Graves of the Archangels, Dead Congregation (2008) [Greece]
10.) Hail Horror Hail, Sigh (1997) [Japan]

Honorable Mentions:
* Meanders, Anachronism (2023) [Switzerland]
* Bellum I, Aquilus (2021) [Australia]
* Skin Age, Odious (2015) [Egypt]

I think my list from earlier is more or less still fairly accurate enough.


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Guess I'm seeing that any lists generated by my OP could/should be relegated into two separate categories: "Heavy Metal" (1966-1981) and "Metal" (1980-to-present).

With this in mind, here is my list for my favorite "Hard Rock" or "Heavy Metal" albums:

Led Zeppelin IV
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy
Blue Öyster Cult Secret Treaties
Uriah Heep Demons and Wizards
AC/DC Back in Black
Alice Cooper Billion Dollar Babies
Aerosmith Toys in the Attic
Rush Fly by Night
Black Sabbath 4
AC/DC Highway to Hell


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