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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Has been discussed in other threads as well, but I still think that these days "metal" means something different than the early "heavy metal" bands.


Agreed but I'm personally not changing my definition that includes the unholy trinity Purp/Zep/Sab

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1 album per band, in no particular order (other than alphabetical)...

Arcturus - Sham Mirrors
Black Sabbath - Heaven & Hell
Circus Maximus - Isolate
Dream Theater - I&W or Awake 
Epica - Design Your Universe
Kamelot - Black Halo
Symphony X - V
Therion - Theli or Vovin
Threshold - March Of Progress
Vanden Plas - Christ.0
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The first 7 Maiden albums and then Motorhead (some compilation), Metallica (The Black Album) and Def Leppard (High n Dry) would get me to a 10 then I'm struggling to care tbh.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Octopus II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2023 at 07:38
Van Halen - Van Halen
Black Sabbath - Sabotage
Rainbow - Rainbow Rising

I can't think of any more! Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath were known as the unholy trinity of British Hard Rock and Heavy Metal in the seventies, but to me, Black Sabbath are the only bona fide Heavy Metal band of the three, although don't take my word for it because I still believe that Faeries Wear Boots. Tongue
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Has been discussed in other threads as well, but I still think that these days "metal" means something different than the early "heavy metal" bands.

I'd say it depends on whether we're using a historical or retrospective definition, and when we want to use which one. In this case, when talking all-time, I find it best to use a retrospective one, and thus not to include Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2023 at 12:22
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Has been discussed in other threads as well, but I still think that these days "metal" means something different than the early "heavy metal" bands.

But if we're talking about a Metal definition which doesn't include Black Sabbath, it may be difficult for me to understand it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2023 at 14:15
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Has been discussed in other threads as well, but I still think that these days "metal" means something different than the early "heavy metal" bands.

But if we're talking about a Metal definition which doesn't include Black Sabbath, it may be difficult for me to understand it.

First of all for any genre discussion to make any sense at all, we would have to do it at least on the release level, since many of the iconic rock/metal bands changed their style over the years.

I think the key to understanding this is the realization that "Heavy Metal" is a subgenre of "Rock", and out of "Heavy Metal" eventually the NWOBHM arose. IMHO both Heavy Metal and NWOBHM are still rooted in Rock. Then in the 80s bands continued along that path and, through Thrash Metal, eventually arrived at a musical pattern that was radically different from the Rock roots. That is I think when "Metal", as something really distinct from "Rock", arose. 

Using this definition, it is obvious that Black Sabbath were "Heavy Metal" on their early records. From the perspective of the 1980s "Metal" bands this 70s music is a form of "Proto Metal" - hierarchically, it is the parent genre of NWOBHM and all of the metal that ensued. Musically, it's (still) much closer to Rock than any 1980+ "Metal" band.
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Reworked from David's thread.

Ark - Burn the Sun
Dio - Holy Diver
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans
Haken - Visions
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Virgil Donati - Ruination
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
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Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are the very definition of Hard Rock to me. If Purple and Led Zep are metal, then every hard rock band is metal. And at that point, Hard Rock = Metal, and that doesn't make sense to me.

For Black Sabbath, I'd say Paranoid and Master of Reality are probably metal, the rest of their 70's output is more accurately classified as hard rock in my opinion.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

.... it is obvious that Black Sabbath were "Heavy Metal" on their early records. From the perspective of the 1980s "Metal" bands this 70s music is a form of "Proto Metal" ....

This makes good sense to me without the whole Rock question.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

.... it is obvious that Black Sabbath were "Heavy Metal" on their early records. From the perspective of the 1980s "Metal" bands this 70s music is a form of "Proto Metal" ....

This makes good sense to me without the whole Rock question.



I know it's been discussed to death here, but what Black Sabbath played in 1970 was a genre known as "Heavy Blues," that is blues rock that falls into the realm of Heavy Rock. Just like there's Heavy Metal and Heavy Psych, Heavy Blues (early Sabbath) derived out of the heavier psych/blues rock scene of the late 60s.

Heavy Rock, imo, is an umbrella term that categorizes these heavier psych/blues rock derivatives.

Heavy Blues, Heavy Psych, Traditional Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Acid Rock, Traditional Doom Metal, Speed Metal, and later on Stoner Rock and Stoner Doom are what would make up the distinct but related Heavy Rock styles. Traditional Heavy Metal would evolve throughout the early to mid 1980s, with the help of Punk Rock/Hardcore Punk, to distance itself from Rock via The NWoBHM, Speed Metal, and Thrash Metal, culminating in the development of the "modern metal" styles in the early 90s, with the help of Alternative Rock and more Hardcore Punk, such as Groove Metal and Black Metal, respectively, which would see the "Metal" umbrella as a distinct genre from Rock. Therefore, the majority of early metal releases in the 70s and 80s should be considered a form of Rock, as well. However, I would not consider Black Sabbath's eponymous debut to be a metal album, aside from the eponymous first track which is solid Traditional Doom Metal territory.


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How about just one (original mix of course) --
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This thread is interesting to me for the recognition that the term "Heavy Metal" existed in the 1970s. While my ears didn't hear a difference in the "Hard Rock" that my brother was listening to (Deep Purple, Mountain, Humble Pie, Alvin Lee, Ronnie Montrose, Jeff Beck, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Aerosmith) and the "Heavy Metal" that started coming out of Iron Butterfly, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Led Zeppelin, Nazareth, Kiss, Judas Priest, and AC/DC, I definitely felt a shift in the music with bands like Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Slayer, Dio, Van Halen, Ozzie, Mötley Crüe, Queensryche, Megadeth, and Metallica. These last bands constituted a "new" more abrasive and aggressive, less blues-founded music than the previous bands (though some of the older bands did adopt and adapt). Thus, a list of all-time favorite metal albums, for me, really couldn't/wouldn't go back much before 1980 (or at least AC/DC's Highway to Hell).
 

  
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Imo, there weren't many "true" heavy metal bands in the 70s. It wasn't until at least the NWOBH that it became a fully formed scene or genre and the 80s is when it started to become mainstream. 





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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Imo, there weren't many "true" heavy metal bands in the 70s. It wasn't until at least the NWOBH that it became a fully formed scene or genre and the 80s is when it started to become mainstream. 




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I can say at least that I won't consider Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep and Budgie as Proto-Metal, as I otherwise 
can't see how to draw the line between Metal and Hard Rock - even Never Turn Your Back on a Friend is very close to.







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Without having though that much about it, I suppose think of Black Sabbath at their heaviest as Heavy Metal - but Heavy Rock covers their music better. When only the short term Metal is used, to me that means something else. Someting else that in a nutshell starts forty years ago, primarely with Kill 'Em All. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Reworked from David's thread.

Ark - Burn the Sun
Dio - Holy Diver
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans
Haken - Visions
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Virgil Donati - Ruination
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs


What a great list!   

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Reworked from David's thread.
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs

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