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Great recommendations, thank you Prog-jester and MikeEnRegalia. 
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Another gem, maybe more experimental/avant-garde than symphonic/orchestral, but still quite the latter: Esc by Zierler (Beyond Twilight): https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52101
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edefakiel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2023 at 05:52
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Another gem, maybe more experimental/avant-garde than symphonic/orchestral, but still quite the latter: Esc by Zierler (Beyond Twilight): https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52101

Some parts are really cheesy, but I'm really digging the most avant-garde ones. Thank you again! 
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I like those cheesy parts, at least to me they are not all that cheesy and by means of contrast they make the avant-garde elements work better ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I like those cheesy parts, at least to me they are not all that cheesy and by means of contrast they make the avant-garde elements work better ...

I wouldn't call their music cheesy, or avant-garde, it is pretty original, technical progressive metal with some symphonic elements I guess. Good album, recommended! Smile
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^ Yes, it's more experimental than avant-garde. I wonder how it sounds to someone who hasn't listened to so much avant/experimental stuff as we have ;-) 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Yes, it's more experimental than avant-garde. I wonder how it sounds to someone who hasn't listened to so much avant/experimental stuff as we have ;-) 

Depends, some people might enjoy it (they welcome a challenge), some might reject it altogether (never go beyond their comfort zone). Smile


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^ Of course! I just sometimes wonder how I felt in the early 2000s when I began listening to the more experimental/avant type music. I didn't know what it was or how to call it. Fast forward to today, it's only three in the afternoon, but I've already listened to more than ten new albums of a broad range of styles, mostly metal, but also (dark) folk and prog rock. My neurons are in a completely different state than they were twenty years ago ...
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Most people I know regard the music I listen to as noise. For the uninitiated, just something like Present or Thinking Plague is plain torture. Imagine what they think when I'm listening to metal. 

Here in Spain there is no culture of difficult music. Even listening to something more tame like Mahavishnu Orchestra or All Traps on Earth will make people frown at you. 

I have never been able of playing something like Gojira or Death without having everyone complaining. Even if there was people who were into "metal", they weren't able to go beyond the likes of Slipknot; for them, something like The Sound of Perseverance was "too complex" and "songs sang by a giant rat". 
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Back in the 2000s I remember that I didn't like growling vocals at all. But through Audiogalaxy (an early file sharing platform) I got exposed to Opeth. Luckily for me I decided to keep listening to these tracks, because the music was so awesome. I tolerated the "grating" experience of the vocals. Just like people can get into eating broccoli when it is accompanied by a creamy sauce, I got into harsh vocals through the jazzy/symphonic music that Opeth combined them with.

TLDR: Difficult music is an acquired taste. Takes some time getting used to. And when you have become used to it, you can actually explore nuances in the music, tell the good from the bad, while to the uninitiated it's all just dreadful noise.
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@edefakiel

If I understood correctly you are looking for truly epic metal that is symphonic more in a postromantic and modern classical way (not the usual neoclassical way). I'm not very familiar with this kind of bands but this comes to mind:

Mekong Delta - Interludium
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Originally posted by terramystic terramystic wrote:

@edefakiel

If I understood correctly you are looking for truly epic metal that is symphonic more in a postromantic and modern classical way (not the usual neoclassical way). I'm not very familiar with this kind of bands but this comes to mind:

Mekong Delta - Interludium

You must be absolutely right, because I love the song that you shared. Weird that I never knew about this band before. Great recommendation, thank you. 
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I was completely blown away by this album, it is very progressive and avant-garde. Like a cinematic version of the most Zornian and demented Mr. Bungle. 


It sounds very, very fresh and unique. 

I think that you may dig the klezmer/eastern/Diablo Swing Orchestra influences, bardberic. 


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I can't believe I forgot to link this earlier, but Twilight Force - I listened to them on release day this past January. It's the cheesiest album ever made lmao but that's what makes it so much fun, and without the cheese, it wouldn't be the most epic album from this year so far.

It's clearly MIDI, but highly symphonic nevertheless, if at least choral. And the Caribbean island elevator music breakdown just makes it that much better.



https://twilightforceofficial.bandcamp.com/album/at-the-heart-of-wintervale

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Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I was completely blown away by this album, it is very progressive and avant-garde. Like a cinematic version of the most Zornian and demented Mr. Bungle. 


It sounds very, very fresh and unique. 

I think that you may dig the klezmer/eastern/Diablo Swing Orchestra influences, bardberic. 




I agree this sounds like something out of Mike Patton's repertoire, although it is a bit too electronic for me. While it's definitely an avant-garde epic cinematic project, I don't really see how this is metal. While I appreciate the orientalism, it isn't really my cup of tea, unfortunately.

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Yes, I listened to At the Heart of Wintervale when it came out. They are good musicians, but, as you said, maybe a little bit too cheesy for me. I will listen to them again, in case I missed something. 

Regarding Seth Angerer. Don't you think that his music is metal? I thought that I might be crazy, since for me it clearly sounded as such, so I searched for it in various places

Here in Progarchives, Seth appears as Progressive Metal: https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10501

In Rate Your Music, the genres of the album are Progressive Metal, Symphonic Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Djent, Cinematic Classical, Jazz Fusion: https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/seth-angerer/multiple-tonality-disorder/

In Last.fm the tags of the album are progressive metal, progressive, symphonic metal, djent: https://www.last.fm/es/music/Seth+Angerer/Multiple+Tonality+Disorder

Obviously, this doesn't settle the matter. But, for me personally, the primary genre would be Avant-Garde Metal and the secondary one Symphonic Metal. 


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^ Listening to Seth Angerer for the first time - both symphonic and avant, resulting in the tag badge "Symphonic Progressive Avant-Garde Metal" at TYM.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Listening to Seth Angerer for the first time - both symphonic and avant, resulting in the tag badge "Symphonic Progressive Avant-Garde Metal" at TYM.

Oh, I hadn't thought of comparing it to Ziltoid. Good catch, Mike.
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Hard to get more symphonic than this: https://leschantsduhasard.bandcamp.com/album/livre-troisi-me

I feel like if I have been waiting for something like Chaint IV - Salve Regina for all my life.

Really interesting composer. The new album is also worth checking, although it is way more direct and less pompous, it slaps a lot harder and it is more conventionally metal. https://leschantsduhasard.bandcamp.com/album/hasard-malivore

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Here's a new artist, Noah, I recently found on bandcamp. I doubtful that you'll like this artist, but depending on how much you like anime and JRPGs will determine how much you'll it: https://noah390.bandcamp.com/album/reawaken-the-mythology






Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

I was completely blown away by this album, it is very progressive and avant-garde. Like a cinematic version of the most Zornian and demented Mr. Bungle. 


It sounds very, very fresh and unique. 

I think that you may dig the klezmer/eastern/Diablo Swing Orchestra influences, bardberic. 




Okay so when I listen to music for a first time, I'll skim through parts of the album to see if it's something I would like, and in this case I missed the metal sections. So this album, just like the Noah I posted above, is only partially metal and partially electronic/cinematic music. I'm going through it again and now I hear the metal. I'm actually liking it a lot more this time, too. I guess I just wasn't in the right mood for it last time. It's actually kind of cool. I may give a full listen another time.

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