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I prophesy disaster 
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 Posted: June 03 2023 at 03:18 |
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Well that's what it's supposed to mean. I'm not sure that everyone follows that meaning. |
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: June 03 2023 at 04:46 |
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That's not important at all. "Overrated" is a subjective term. I don't like U2, but they're a very popular band, so from my perspective they're overrated. You seem to be under the impression that if people would just educate themselves and seek out other bands from that era, they'd see that objectively, Led Zep isn't that good. But again, taste is subjective. There's other bands from the 70's that I prefer over Led Zep, but they're pretty much the best in their genre IMO. Page and Bonham are outstanding on their instruments. Also keep in mind that you can't think an artist is better than others or one of your favorites unless you're actually familiar with them. There's way more people familiar with Led Zeppelin than Humble Pie, so no sh*t will there be more Led Zeppelin fanatics than Humble Pie fanatics. Also, bands being more obscure or less remembered, while sometimes unfair or hard to understand, often is just a result of people prefering one over the other. The "people just like X because it's popular" argument is tempting at times, but also a little cheap. Popularity and how much people actually like something do go hand in hand to some degree. I also don't buy the fact that Led Zeppelin is a requirment for bar bands for even a second. They're not that ubiquitously popular or demanded by the masses, and I can't find anything online that backs it up. If anything, it's easier to find people asking why bar bands don't play Led Zeppelin - despite their popularity. if you want bands that people generally see as the best ever, try the Beatles or Pink Floyd before Led Zeppelin.
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Lewian
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Posted: June 03 2023 at 05:40 |
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It's a natural implication of how markets (and actually general social processes) work that some who are popular and who can sell/be sold well win over a popularity that is somewhat out of proportion, and may detract attention from less visible acts. Chances are there is always some truth in saying "XXX are overrated" and "people should really pay attention to Y but they don't" in a situation like this, but there is hardly any way around such phenomena. Better people get to know Led Zeppelin and some of then explore things further than not even starting at all. Also I don't see any particular problem with Led Zeppelin different from Beatles, Pink Floyd, or even Queen etc. I haven't experienced any pressure to like LZ or in fact anything - among people I know it's fine to say "I don't like XYZ" whatever popularity XYZ have. No, I don't think anyone is pressurised into liking LZ. They're just very visible, so people will see them first, and decide whether they like them or not. Sadly some will not move on, but maybe those would've been hopeless from the beginning anyway.
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Posted: June 05 2023 at 06:22 |
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I don't see Jimmy Page or John Bonham as outstanding musicians. It has little to do with liking or disliking their music. It's subjective. A matter of taste.
In Vineland, New Jersey and Millville, New Jersey in particular the mentality is as such that there is no other Rock band. People just assume Led Zeppelin are the greatest Rock band on the planet. Song Remains The Same ( the live album) is by far the worse live album in Rock. Jimmy Page sounds like a child frustrated with the pentatonic scale and Robert Plant is a horrible Rock singer imo. John Bonham and John Paul Jones are the only ones holding that performance together. The guitar playing is horribly sloppy and inefficient to the tightness of the music. Jimmy Page holds the guitar below his knee caps . A pretty stupid concept or idea when trying to play fast riffing or even rhythm for that matter. Ok he plays a series of note patterns across the fretboard, but what good is it when they are being played choppy and sloppy? He has no finesse. But it's OK for Jimmy Page to play like that right? That's exceptable right? Young guitar students spend endless grinding hours practicing to master a fluent guitar style and then they're expected to play the sloppiest Page solo ? And if they did people would praise them and say they did a great job and why do you think that is? Because it's Led Zeppelin right? What if they got sloppy playing a Steve Howe solo would that be accepted too? No it wouldn't but Page's horrible guitar playing is and that's reality. In Vineland and Millville New Jersey the mentality over the years developed into...." Well my Mom and Dad were smart and they listened to Led Zeppelin " "And they said that Led Zeppelin were the greatest Rock band on the planet..so it must make sense" Right so then never think for yourself and take everybody's word for it...okay... |
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Stressed Cheese
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Posted: June 05 2023 at 15:23 |
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I'm not a big fan of Zeppelin's live stuff either, and I've never really enjoyed The Song Remains the Same. Keep in mind, though, that most people don't judge music from a musician's point of view. Page could be the worst or the best guitar player in the world, but as long as the end result is something people like to listen to, they'll evaluate him as a player they like. I do like him and Bonham especially on the studio albums. As for Plant...let's just say he's a good singer with a bad voice. But at the end of the day, it's subjective, like you say. I don't know how good Plant is, technically speaking, since I don't play guitar, but I know that I like the end result, so he must have some kind of feel, or "soul" or whatever you want to call it. And I don't like the Ramones any less just because they were poor musicians. And look, I'm not from New Jersey, but I don't think two towns that between them don't even have 100.000 people living in them will be the best representation here. And as for this...
Unless people in New Jersey are completely different from the rest of the world, I don't think the average person really tends to like what their parents are into. They tend to reject that kind of stuff. Now, maybe, in later years they found out that their mom and pop's taste wasn't that bad after all, but I highly doubt people just parrot their parents' views because they're their parents. Most people don't consider their parents geniuses. Even if you take it to mean that a band's popularity will often live on from generation to generation, sure, but that can be said about any band that's still popular these days. That just comes back around to things that are popular finding a new audience more easily, but that doesn't discredit Led Zeppelin's popularity IMO.
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Yesssss, that's why we love them. They are real, they didn't play games, use gimmicks or backing players, and they gave you more in an hour & a half than most bands did in a month of touring. How dare the lowbrow people of New Jersey assume Zeppelin are the
greatest rock band ... it was obviously Creedence Clearwater Revival. Right ? Edited by Atavachron - June 05 2023 at 15:36 |
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If I were to listen to mom and dad, I wouldn't have exposed myself to anything heavier than Pink Floyd or Queen. They thought Stairway to Heaven was very beautiful up until they ruin the mood with that brutally rockin' ending.
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Posted: June 06 2023 at 04:43 |
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^ And if were to listen to the type of music mum and dad liked, I'd be listening to:
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Sadly it is. CCR is like a religion in South Jersey. When your band finishes its set a lot of bar hoppers will yell.. "Dude play CCR!" If they start talking to you it's pretty obvious that most of them believe John Fogerty is a God. I had to get out of that business. Most of the bar bands were amateur. When I played in Rock clubs in the 70s and 80s the bands were outstanding! The musicians were mind blowing. What the hell happened to South Jersey? 😃 Back in 78' I was playing 2112 by Rush, material from Physical Graffiti, Presence etc and we had that stuff down. Before I quit bar bands I'd show to their gigs and watch guitar players playing the wrong chord voicings and I taught them the correct way to play Jimmy Page. However there were instructions vids on YouTube to teach that, but apparently those were wrong. It's just sad to think that life turned out this way. In 2019 when I bailed out there were a few guitarists who were magnificent players..but in 1976 my estimate would have been 30 or more fantastic mind blowing guitarists traveling and performing in Jersey. I don't understand that. I remember a musician telling me..that the reason why they sounded amateur had mostly to do with the fact that they played live for 2 years in the 80s..then quit to work a job with good benefits and rarely picked up a guitar...then retired in their 50s and decided to form a bar band . I don't know if that's true, but I do know that several guitarists in Zeppelin tribute bands or regular cover bar bands didn't play the right chords to Song Remains The Same nor did they figure out Page's lead work. I don't understand why this happened |
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Posted: June 06 2023 at 11:54 |
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This is hilarious!! |
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Posted: June 06 2023 at 11:55 |
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Lol!!! |
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