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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:


Real musicians don't see the blueprint of Zeppelin's mechanism as the ultimate goal in music. Why should they? That's like pressuring society to praise only Beethoven and not Bach. So J.S. Bach gets the cesspool part right? The degrade of credit...the much lesser of the two.

Bach and Beethoven weren't contemporaries, so it's better to compare how society praise the latter composer over Johann Nepomuk Hummel and Luigi Cherubini. Which, like it or not, society does. Bach and Beethoven are the leading "stars" of the Baroque and the (early) Romantic era and overshadow a lot of great composers. Not all of course, Schubert and Vivaldi mm are also household names. Just like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple are.

Led Zeppelin is Beethoven, Humble Pie is Cherubini. I'm sorry that's just how it works. Not how I want it to be, and there's nothing wrong with being Cherubini.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ No I fundamentally disagree.   People listen to what they like not what's most popular, then or now.   There are reasons Zeppelin were so successful and considered by many to be the greatest rock band and that's because, 1) they kinda were, and 2) a whole bunch of people loved their music, and they all recognize the mistakes, flubs, shortcomings, and sloppiness of the band.   In fact for many, it was a plus and showed the character & soul missing from much music of that era.  

There's also a reason some people think the Beatles were the greatest or the Stones or the Who, and it's not because those people are sheep any more than those who loved Michael Jackson or David Bowie or Prince.





To be in the music business for 50 years and witness that the majority of society's central importance is Led Zeppelin gets very old and tiring. Western culture has it all wrapped up. Jimmy Page is the greatest Rock guitarist and John Bonham the greatest drummer. People don't acknowledge Ian Paice or Ronnie Montrose .

If you walk into a Wawa for coffee and another musician simply states that playing Led Zeppelin songs for a buck is a serious drag...watch most or all People turn their head your way. It's like a religion. It's extremism to the point of no return. Some people will shake their head in disbelief of what your musician friend is saying and they will in fact defend their position like a religion.

In the music business Led Zeppelin are shoved down your throat. They are overrated in that sense. Just the fact that all the other internationally known Rock musicians are not generally seen in the same light as Led Zeppelin is a silly concept and it lacks glory. Just give Led Zeppelin Park Place and Boardwalk and start the game. It's ignorant stupidity.

When you think about all the phenomenal innovative Rock bands in the late 60s and early 70s and their amazing music it seems rather foolish for most people to agree that Led Zeppelin are the greatest Rock band on the planet. It's irrelevant if they like them or not..as they will agree to disagree for the sake of not offending someone's favorite music taste. It's a red flag if you simply and kindly say.."It's not a style I prefer"

It brings harm to the music business. It's about following one path which is very bravado, egotistical and nonsensical. People who know that Zeppelin are not the greatest Rock band on the planet will say that they are because they are glib. That ruins it for the musician because now they have to tow this ridiculous line to survive.

When people in the crowd appreciate your playing and they discover that you don't like the music of Zeppelin they dislike you. That's not very nice to impose on the rest of the world now is it? We're not playing God..we're playing music and here they are putting rules to it..and that's not extremism?

Not all professional musicians will see the blueprint of Zeppelin's mechanism as the ultimate goal in music. Why should they? That's like pressuring society to praise only Beethoven and not Bach. So J.S. Bach gets the cesspool part right? The degrade of credit...the much lesser of the two. In Rock Music Deep Purple, UFO, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie Montrose get the lesser amount of credit. That's ridiculous!

To think that we're bestowed with a theory and stupid enough to think that our intelligence has only one purpose. Obviously the majority of the population is controlled by their music emotionally which puts a huge limitation on searching for other music. Let's stop putting all our quarters in the same machine. Music happens everywhere without the echo of Led Zeppelin. It's not an intelligent design. It's entanglement that achieves a nothing.

Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - June 02 2023 at 10:43
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Classic bands popular with young people? Here are the bands that I think fit that criteria in no order:
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Bands most younger people don't have a clue about:

Humble Pie
Uriah Heep
Mountain
The James Gang
ELP
Yes (although more well known than the others in this list)
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In general, in those "classic rock bs-stations", do not do things that they do not have an interest in and do not own a portion of, at least, the distribution of the works. In my book, all of these, and many more, would have a voice on the air, with one exception ... the moron that put together 5 tapes for those FM stations, wouldn't know music from his _________! And worse, he wouldn't care, either ... he's getting paid to do a job, and he took the money and run!

The hard side of it is, that years later, the same "tapes" are still being played and those stations are not people oriented and don't care what is in the tapes. For the price they are paying for those tapes, a low level employee on regular wages would be cheaper and more fun to listen to ... but "radio" ... is no longer radio and we need to let it kill itself for being cheap, stupid and down right malicious!
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^Well, the most listened to classic rock bands on Spotify are still the most listened to classic rock by young people. That's what we're discussing isn't it? Those are the same names you will find in the sales charts. Many of them has had successful movies made about them quite recently, a few has a song gone viral with some tik tok-video etc...
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

But as most young folks haven't heard about them or knows who they are, they aren't really "a classic rock band still popular to youth".
No, but by that standard almost no classic era band is popular with the youth, since young people mostly listen to contemporary pop/hip-hop/dance type music. When I say Can is popular with young people, I mean young people who are interested in this type of music, and those who at least put a little effort in developing their own musical tastes.
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^Fine. The anecdotical bit is that you think what your friends are into is representative. Just like I've done myself. I know all about their online popularity but the numbers don't add up. Can's a band that's referenced to and talked about more than actually listened to. Much like Faust or Amon Düül II, only bigger. Their music was forwardthinking and influential and Can is one of the hippest bands from the 1970's + the darlings of people who are deeply into music. But as most young folks haven't heard about them or knows who they are, they aren't really "a classic rock band still popular to youth".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stressed Cheese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2023 at 04:21
I can't believe I forgot to mention Queen. It really seems sometimes that for some people, Queen is almost the only band they're aware of from the 70's, or the only one where they dare to go back that far anyway. I don't mind Queen, but I feel that they sometimes get a lot of praise for being bombastic and show-y and epic, whereas there are a lot of bands from that era who did that kind of stuff better IMO. But ah well.
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Yes, it's all a bit anecdotical. I've got Can's complete 1970's discography and then some, me and plenty of my friends know and love them, Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi and Future Days are featured on countless "best ever albums"sort of-lists - so I've been thinking that Can is bigger than they actually are myself.
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Sure, but I'm not being influenced like that, because I don't give a sh*t about Can myself, I didn't grow up in the 70's, and I don't have any friends who listen to them. I'm just going on the fact that they (and Tago Mago specifically) seem to be referenced a lot more than you'd expect based on their albums sales back in the day. Look at the amount of ratings they have on RYM, for example. It might be surprising, but they seem to really resonate with younger people.


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^ No I fundamentally disagree.   People listen to what they like not what's most popular, then or now.   There are reasons Zeppelin were so successful and considered by many to be the greatest rock band and that's because, 1) they kinda were, and 2) a whole bunch of people loved their music, and they all recognize the mistakes, flubs, shortcomings, and sloppiness of the band.   In fact for many, it was a plus and showed the character & soul missing from much music of that era.  

There's also a reason some people think the Beatles were the greatest or the Stones or the Who, and it's not because those people are sheep any more than those who loved Michael Jackson or David Bowie or Prince.




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The youth today has to have a clearer understanding of the golden age of Rock because the representation of it through the media is very questionable..as its ratings by terms of record sales is accurate, but in the early 70s that was insignificant to a Rock band's popularity.

Between 66' and 72' Mike Bloomfield was mentioned in the same breath as Eric Clapton. There was more variety and it was accepted in America with open arms because it was all new and intriguing to the youth.

A band like Canned Heat featured jazzy swing rhythm, latin rhythm, psychedelic, jugband Blues, and Boogie..but they weren't all Boogie as the media portrays them to be. They are often portrayed as a "down home party and boogie band", however listening to their album tracks presents something different from the image they are given today. They scored a hit with "Going Up The Country" ..the Woodstock anthem.,,,but the point is people weren't listening to Canned Heat because of their Boogie status..but more because they were eclectic. A young person today would have to stream a lot and research to grasp just how vast and important that was. Their image is a silly God. It's just such a lie.

Led Zeppelin wouldn't be represented that way and it's evident to me that many overstatements about their talents are such an exaggeration. Led Zeppelin were huge and the youth loved their music, but bands like Deep Purple and Jethro Tull high and mighty and never thought by the mass to be Rock bands with a few popular songs. You can thank radio in the 80s for screwing that up. A young person getting into Classic Rock should know the truth and take the media handpicked list of usual suspects with a grain of salt.

I bought all the Led Zeppelin albums in the 70s, but to embrace their name everywhere in life for a truth ER theory that Zeppelin is God is just rubbish. In America they are considered by the masses to be the greatest Classic Rock band on earth. Their name doesn't differ from being Coke on a billboard sign. They make mistakes on their instruments just like everybody else if not more . They are represented by propagandists ..so if you are young and wanting to explore Classic Rock dont buy into the hype in the media. Research more on the culture and acknowledge the diversity in Rock bands of those times. The media is not going to give Rory Gallagher the same level of credit as Jimmy Page..which some people fall into that mousetrap by thinking "Well, my dad liked Led Zeppelin and he was smart so I guess it must be true" If you follow that line of thinking then you are being force fed

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I find the notion that Can is "Classic Rock" much stranger than the fact that they have some (but limited) popularity today.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

[QUOTE=Psychedelic Paul]

I think it is a matter of exposure.  The young don't quite get the same exposure us old folks had to amazing progressive rock, hard rock etc., and they call that stuff "Dad Rock!"  

However, some bands like Queen are going through a real resurgence!  





I used to check out these live YouTube listening parties (prog-rock), and Yes was a common listen, and most of the people in the live chat were younger than 40.
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my daughter is 15 and when I last saw her I asked her about music.  She knew about Queen as one would expect, but didn't know about Iron Maiden, which did surprise me
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When I only listed these
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Queen (31), The Beatles (44), Elton John (102), AC/DC (96) Fleetwood Mac (139), Pink Floyd (144) The Rolling Stones (148), David Bowie (175), Led Zeppelin (198) are the nine classic rock (or pop/rock) in Spotify's top 200.

it was because
Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

remembering reading that 70% of the commerce is from bands/artists from the 60/70s, and I'm curious which ones are popular with the young people.
If I included typically 1980's-early 1990's acts, like some of you do:

Metallica (79), Nirvana (120), Guns N' Roses (146), U2 (189) would be added.

-Bon Jovi, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder, Billy Joel, Aerosmith, Pearl Jam and Johnny Cash follows in the top 200-300.
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^ they play a lot of classic rock songs in modern films such as the Marvel Comics films. The Redbone song "Get Your Love" has been exposed to a whole new generation as have many other sci-fi flick soundtrack additions.

It's weird because the younger generations are the first to have the entire history of music at their fingertip so obviously it takes quite a while to digest a lot of music. It's taken me decades to consume somewhere around 25,000 albums (my best estimate).

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Most of the youngsters I know listen to Rap/Hip Hop and they wouldn't know prog or classic rock if it slapped them in the face like a wet flannel. Some of them don't even know who Eric Clapton is. Geek

Thanks for that!  I'm a certified STEM teacher (science, technology, engineering & math)  in Arizona (US grades 6 through 12), and I once queried my students on musical choices.  They were nearly all into rap, although the girls enjoyed the modern dance music as well.  

They asked what Mr. Stack liked, and I said "well, I like the band Yes!" and on their own, they looked up "Close to the Edge!"  They boys said "not bad!!" 

I think it is a matter of exposure.  The young don't quite get the same exposure us old folks had to amazing progressive rock, hard rock etc., and they call that stuff "Dad Rock!"  

However, some bands like Queen are going through a real resurgence!  



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Classic bands popular with young people? Here are the bands that I think fit that criteria in no order:

The Rolling Stones
Queen
Led Zeppelin
The Beatles
Pink Floyd
AC/DC
Metallica
Guns N Roses
Def Leppard
Aerosmith
Rush
The Doors (although maybe not as much as they should be)


Bands most younger people don't have a clue about:

Humble Pie
Uriah Heep
Mountain
Wishbone Ash
Ten Years After
The James Gang
Nektar
ELP
Yes (although more well known than the others in this list)



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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

I'm an actual young person, so let me enlighten you guys.*

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

And Can, well you can forget about a German Experimental rock band making many new listeners.
No, Can is pretty popular these days, surprisingly. I've seen Tago Mago referenced a decent amount by people you wouldn't expect it of. That's one of those albums that has for some reason gotten a big boost in popularity compared to how popular it was back in the day.

*Of course I'm being a bit sarcastic, and this is from my experience.
Yes, it's all a bit anecdotical. I've got Can's complete 1970's discography and then some, me and plenty of my friends know and love them, Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi and Future Days are featured on countless "best ever albums"sort of-lists - so I've been thinking that Can is bigger than they actually are myself. But none of their classic albums has sold to gold status anywhere. Not after 50 years and not even in Germany. The most played track on the legendary Tago Mago got about 2.5 million plays on Spotify, where they have a little over 500 000 monthly listeners (Vitamin C, by far their most popular song, has almost 40 million plays though). Not bad considering the type of music they made, but quite moderate compared to well some of the classic rock that really is popular within the mainstream. Yellow Magic Orchestra got half the amount of listeners, even if most of their albums reached number 1. in Japan at the time of their release.
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Steely Dan's current popularity among the younger generation is beyond compare (in the grand scheme of things) - and Fleetwood Mac too, obviously.




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Black Sabbath/Ozzy get a lot of attention by younger crowds. I've never heard any young person mention CAN, VU or Stooges. Maybe on forums but ask em if they actually listen to them...?

At record stores I hear kids looking for the normal classic rock bands, especially Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Queen.....some are even looking for 80's new wave bands like Duran Duran.
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I'm an actual young person, so let me enlighten you guys.*

Steely Dan is probably the biggest one from my experience. I see them referenced literally all the time by young people on Twitter. There's probably more Millenials that know the album Aja by heart than boomers. Fleetwood Mac is one, and it seems like Tusk is especially getting reappraised by the younger generation. Some more new-wave era and later stuff like The Smiths and Talking Heads I see talked about a lot. Young people really like David Byrne for some reason. Also Weather Report much more often than other fusion artists from that period, strangely. That might just be a coincidence honestly. The Grateful Dead seem to come up frequently, as do YMO. Lastly, though I might be especially sensitive to Zappa references (and thus might be a bit biased), he seems to still attract a lot of new fans, which I'm glad to see.

Some specific albums also come up a lot. ITCOTCK is still fairly well known among a surprising amount of people, but I don't see a lot of talk about their other stuff. And I've noticed people who aren't really into older rock music play Black Sabbath's Paranoid a ton. And I mean the album, not just the hit single.

Of course artists like the Beatles and Pink Floyd keep getting discovered by each new generation. But there's some bands commonly seen as classic that don't get brought up that much. Like, for their legendary status, I don't think people talk about the Stones that much anymore. They receive plenty of airplay and most will recognize a lot of their songs, but I don't see them talked about that much.

Also, slightly related, but younger folks have been digging up a lot of Japanese city pop/jazz fusion/yacht rock type artists for some reason. I think the popularity of music you can listen to while you study or work has played a big role in that.

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

And Can, well you can forget about a German Experimental rock band making many new listeners.
No, Can is pretty popular these days, surprisingly. I've seen Tago Mago referenced a decent amount by people you wouldn't expect it of. That's one of those albums that has for some reason gotten a big boost in popularity compared to how popular it was back in the day.

*Of course I'm being a bit sarcastic, and this is from my experience.
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Quote music they can do by themselves, (hip-hop...
Nowadays, a lot of MCs simply buy pre-made beats to rap over. I'm not a huge fan of that personally. I prefer it when the music is made specifically for the song.
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