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^ Yeah, I second Alice Cooper.
 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Boi_da_boi_124 Boi_da_boi_124 wrote:

What prog-related, prog-esque, or overlooked prog bands/artists should have a place in PA?

My picks:
John Coltrane(Jazz/Rock Fusion)
Gary Numan(Prog-Related)
Grateful Dead(Psychedelic/Space Rock or Prog-Related)

Two and three absolutely. But when did ever Coltrane fuse his jazz with anything rock? Well, I know his music more than well enough to answer that myself: Never.

-While Miles took notes and listened to what his younger bandmembers and girlfriends were into (around the time of Coltrane's untimely passing) and added funk & rock grooves into his gradually more electrified jazz.

-Post his 1965-album A Love Supreme, Coltrane spent the two last years of his life going even further out into the spiritual side of avant-garde/free jazz. Always sticking to the acoustic standard jazz "instrument park". The story of jazzfusion had hardly begun in 1967. And while he (as many of the 1960's jazz greats) inspired many outside of the jazz field, he's merely a footnote in the "makings of" this particular story.
Progressive and psychedelic  Jazz, maybe?TongueWink


One could say that McCoy Tyner could have some rock in his 70's album. Ditto for Alice.
Not sure I think that McCoy Tyner or Alice Coltrane ever actually recorded an album full of material that qualify them for a place in the PA-index either. What albums would that be? They were certainly progressive and got themselves groovin' during the early 1970's, but was there ever an element of "rock"?  I would find it easier to make an argument for Pharoah Sanders than both of them.

I guess you didn't read my emoticons, did you?  TongueWink
Wasn't being serious (even if Alice is included in Carlos S' solo entry).

Yeah, Pharoah as well. Sonny Liston Smith and a few more... 

I you want some really cool Tyner album with fusion nearing jazz-rock, then I'd suggest albums between 72 and 77
Sahara, 
Extensions
Song For My Lady
Song For The New World
Atlantis
Fly With The Wind
Focal Point 
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Originally posted by Matte Matte wrote:

If bands like Budgie, Triumph and Journey fit in here, AC has to too, I think.

All these three bands are under prog-related. If you think Alice Cooper deserves to be under prog-related, just make a strong case for it, that's all. 
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I suggest adding: New York Rock Ensemble
                              Illusion ( from Baltimore)
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Mercyful Fate & King Diamond!

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Did anyone mention PIL yet?
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Boston. I'd say definitely more prog-related, in most of aspects, than bands such as Journey or Supertramp (which I like anyway).


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Edited by Sean Trane - May 26 2023 at 02:02
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


I guess you didn't read my emoticons, did you?  TongueWink
Wasn't being serious (even if Alice is included in Carlos S' solo entry).

Yeah, Pharoah as well. Sonny Liston Smith and a few more...
I did, and I read them as you weren't serious about your John Coltrane genre-suggestions. Not that you were joking about McCoy Tyner and Alice Coltrane as well.

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I you want some really cool Tyner album with fusion nearing jazz-rock, then I'd suggest albums between 72 and 77
Sahara, 
Extensions
Song For My Lady
Song For The New World
Atlantis
Fly With The Wind
Focal Point 

I own them all actually. All pretty incredible. McCoy's got the strongest 1970's discography in jazz that I'm aware of. When I listen to them, it's sort of easy to hear that they're 70's and not 60's jazz. So although he sticks to to a "purer" for of jazz, there's something about the spirited energy and drive that resembles his jazz rock fusion contemporaries. I could also add some personal favorites:

Expansions
Time For Tyner
Sama Layuca
Asante
Enlightenment (live)
Horizon (from 1980. Perhaps the closest he got ever got to progressive/fusion. The added violinist John Blake that makes me think of Magma at times.
-and Cosmos, which is basically Asante + an album worth of extra material...

-I find every single album listed here more interesting and thrilling than his "hit-album" The Real McCoy.

It you haven't heard this one yet, you're in for a treat:
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The Stranglers
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Recently departed keyboard maestro Don Shinn (influence on both Keith Emerson and Jon Lord), brought out two great jazz fusion albums in 1969 (Temples with Prophets and Departures) and carried on as a 'keyboard for hire' in both prog and non-prog projects. Don was also known for 'keyboard abuse', as was Keith.
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XTC !!!
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This is reputedly the proggiest Alice Cooper:
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I assumed XTC were already on PA!
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I you want some really cool Tyner album with fusion nearing jazz-rock, then I'd suggest albums between 72 and 77
Sahara, 
Extensions
Song For My Lady
Song For The New World
Atlantis
Fly With The Wind
Focal Point 

I own them all actually. All pretty incredible. McCoy's got the strongest 1970's discography in jazz that I'm aware of. When I listen to them, it's sort of easy to hear that they're 70's and not 60's jazz. So although he sticks to to a "purer" for of jazz, there's something about the spirited energy and drive that resembles his jazz rock fusion contemporaries. I could also add some personal favorites:

Expansions
Time For Tyner
Sama Layuca
Asante
Enlightenment (live)
Horizon (from 1980. Perhaps the closest he got ever got to progressive/fusion. The added violinist John Blake that makes me think of Magma at times.
-and Cosmos, which is basically Asante + an album worth of extra material...

-I find every single album listed here more interesting and thrilling than his "hit-album" The Real McCoy.

It you haven't heard this one yet, you're in for a treat:





MMMhhhh!!!...

I still have that Horizons album in vinyl
Not a big fan of Layuca (too Latino for me, if memory serves)
Love Asante's expanded edition too

And yes, I find Real McCoy somewhat lesser than all those 70's albums.


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Greatful Dead isnt on PA?

I'm surprised. 

Not even on Proto-prog or Prog-related?
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Fleet Foxes - songs like Third of May/Odaigahara pretty cool better then new Yes 😁🎶😏




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^The new benchmark for determining whether a band should be on PA: "Are they cooler than the new Yes?"
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

^The new benchmark for determining whether a band should be on PA: "Are they cooler than the new Yes?"
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

^The new benchmark for determining whether a band should be on PA: "Are they cooler than the new Yes?"
LOL


That would include nearly any  band -lyrically you can’t get much more insipid 😝LOL
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