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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Agreed

No bands/artists from Germany or (most of) Europe either. 

There's Eberhard Weber.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Agreed

No bands/artists from Germany or (most of) Europe either. 

There's Eberhard Weber.

my bad. Embarrassed
But just one artist. 
And one artist from Portugal (I googled him, I didn't know him).
Two Japanese bands (Casiopea, never heard of the second one). 
John McLaughlin is British, but Mahavishnu  is Multi-National. 


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972

that one is a Chick Corea album, not a Return to Forever album. RtF named themselves after this album


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 10:20
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972

that one is a Chick Corea album, not a Return to Forever album. RtF named themselves after this album

Beat me to it. Clap

I knew somebody would cite that album, haha!

How are you, BaldJean!! Seems like you were absent for a bit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 10:27
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)

Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972

that one is a Chick Corea album, not a Return to Forever album. RtF named themselves after this album

Beat me to it. Clap

I knew somebody would cite that album, haha!

How are you, BaldJean!! Seems like you were absent for a bit.

yep. we were working on the stage show for our new band Dark Goddesses that consists of Friede and me, our daughters Alice and Dorothy and my sister Beatrice and her wife Charlotte


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

How are you, BaldJean!! Seems like you were absent for a bit.

yep. we were working on the stage show for our new band Dark Goddesses that consists of Friede and me, our daughters Alice and Dorothy and my sister Beatrice and her wife Charlotte

Is the album ready or is this a completely different/new project?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 10:56
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

How are you, BaldJean!! Seems like you were absent for a bit.

yep. we were working on the stage show for our new band Dark Goddesses that consists of Friede and me, our daughters Alice and Dorothy and my sister Beatrice and her wife Charlotte

Is the album ready or is this a completely different/new project?

it is a new project. with Charlotte we finally have a harp player (including electric harp). she also plays zither and koto


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 11:11
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

How are you, BaldJean!! Seems like you were absent for a bit.

yep. we were working on the stage show for our new band Dark Goddesses that consists of Friede and me, our daughters Alice and Dorothy and my sister Beatrice and her wife Charlotte

Is the album ready or is this a completely different/new project?

it is a new project. with Charlotte we finally have a harp player (including electric harp). she also plays zither and koto

Clap Oh, wow. That is dope. What synths are you using?
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when Charlotte uses a distortion pedal on her electric harp it becomes incredibly heavy, much heavier than a distorted electric guitar. not what you would expect from a harp at all!

I use a Yamaha DX7, a Roland JD-800 and an ancient EMS synthi A for sound effects (in my opinion still the best synthesizer for this)


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

when Charlotte uses a distortion pedal on her electric harp it becomes incredibly heavy, much heavier than a distorted electric guitar. not what you would expect from a harp at all!

Copy that! It sounds awesome. I found the heaviest distortion pedal and used it on harp - YouTube

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I use a Yamaha DX7, a Roland JD-800 and an ancient EMS synthi A for sound effects (in my opinion still the best synthesizer for this)

The JD-800 is a killer synth. I wish I had one!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

when Charlotte uses a distortion pedal on her electric harp it becomes incredibly heavy, much heavier than a distorted electric guitar. not what you would expect from a harp at all!


yes, that's what it sounds like. incredible, isn't it?


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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In my book, the same group being represented more than once, simply shows the lack of care for the "artist".

If you take away the doubles you actually have a nice list, which could include a lot more folks from Europe, most of which were left behind.

I don't think that many of us do not "accept" Miles, or Frank as "jazz-fusion" in some way, despite their tastes also moving in other directions as well. Thus, the need for 2nd, 3rd and 4th album by the same artist simply hurts the choices and the talent of many musicians the world over.

I couldn't vote ... the listing was too "popularity" minded, and I think it showed how much we listen to different versions of the music, and specially a lot of European stuff ... where it's diversion was influenced by a lot more than just the blues, and some independent spirits.


I think this has been discussed with you already, but it comes across like you don't understand how RateYourMusic works or what its purpose is. It was primarily set up as a site where members (there are huge numbers) rate the albums in their collection. This data is collected, and one gets a general rating value based on all of those who rated it, and the ranking is calculated. I would find it odd at such an album rating and ranking site that is populated as it is, for the default to only show only one album by a band. You could suggest the change at the site if you think they could do it better. I don't see how lack of care for the artist comes into play with the way the site works. Of course it's popularity-minded, in that these are the 25 most popular albums according to the way that the data from the many users ratings are collated. It's like complaining about Prog Archives top album charts.

If someone who enjoys lots of jazz fusion can't find three to like and vote for in this list, then that comes down to their own limitations more than the limitations of RYM.

We've actually had the kind of discussion again and again, and I still don't understand your logic.

Of course you could go the chart and go down the list for 25 different albums by different band/artists or just list the first 25 band/artist names. Does something like having RYM and the way it works hurt an artist? I know that it has helped many an artist to gain recognition. I have discovered many wonderful names that I might never have discovered otherwise by looking at RYM's charts. You do seem to be talking from a place of ignorance where you don't really understand how the site and its communities work -- a bit of research before giving opinions can go a long way.

Incidentally, instead of people complaining/ or being concerned about what's not on the list, I do wish more would focus on what is there and what they do like from the list. Of course it's fine also to share other opinions.


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1. Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
2. Freddie Hubbard - Straight Life
3. Eberhard Weber - The Colours of Chloe
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)
Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972

that one is a Chick Corea album, not a Return to Forever album. RtF named themselves after this album

I guess, there're different opinions about it, as RYM, PA and Wikipedia consider it to be RtF's first album. Smile

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From the list,

Mahavishnu Orchestra-The Inner Mounting Flame
Eberhard Weber-The Colours Of Chloe
Soft Machine-Third


personal top 3 

Giger Lenz Marron-Beyond
Passport-Cross Collateral
Dzyan-Time Machine
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 14:15
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

(Not a single RTF album...interesting. There are a few I'd knock out of there for Romantic Warrior.)
Chick Corea - Return to Forever, 1972

that one is a Chick Corea album, not a Return to Forever album. RtF named themselves after this album

I guess, there're different opinions about it, as RYM, PA and Wikipedia consider it to be RtF's first album. Smile

If so, that's incorrect. If this is the album in question, it's by Chick Corea, and the title is Return to Forever. It's not "an album by" Return to Forever.


This is the first album attributed to Return to Forever as a group.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2023 at 14:29
Since I mentioned and voted for my top three already, here is a top ten from the list:

Herbie Hancock - Crossings
Soft machine - Third
Eddie Henderson - Realization,
Miles Davis - Big Fun
Herbie Hancoock Sextant
Bruno Pernadas - Those Who Throw Objects...
Sun Ra - Lanquidity
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

And here are ten albums that I listed four years ago as favourites of mine in a JRF topic at PA (one album per artist).

Janko Nilovic - Rythmes Contemporains
Herbie Hancock - Crossings
Miles Davis - Big Fun
Mandingo - The Primeval Rhythm of Life
Eddie Henderson - Realisation
Julian Priester - Love, Love
Embryo - Embryo's Rache
Perigeo - Genealogia
Soft Machine - Third
Placebo - Ball of Eyes

These days I would want throw in Bruno Pernadas' Those Who Throw... from 2016 and another modern one that I love that also is from 2016 (such a great year), Niechęć's self-titled. The kid looks right out of Village of the Damned.



I think there's so much great jazz post-rock fusion.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I guess, there're different opinions about it, as RYM, PA and Wikipedia consider it to be RtF's first album. Smile

So do Stuart Nicholson, the author of the very well-researched and thorough Jazz-Rock: A History (1998).

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

In my book, the same group being represented more than once, simply shows the lack of care for the "artist".
Correct. It's a chart. A chart doesn't care about anything.


Edited by Saperlipopette! - May 17 2023 at 22:38
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