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    Posted: April 26 2023 at 08:09
Both of these albums have an infamous legacy for all the wrong reasons. I can see merit for both albums upon a deeper listen. But, these two albums have some major flaws to say the least. Out of these two "controversial" albums which do you prefer?

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I can't believe you made me vote for Love Beach LOL
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I can't vote. because... and I don't know whether you'll believe this, but I have actually never listened to Love Beach... and I really don't want to. My listening experience with ELP finishes with Works Vol II (and EL Powell).. I just don't want to go any further.

I heard St. Anger when it first came out and thought it was a pointless noise with few redeeming features. 20 years later, my view might possibly have changed, but in view of the fact that I didn't like Hardwired either, I somehow doubt it...
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

I can't vote. because... and I don't know whether you'll believe this, but I have actually never listened to Love Beach... and I really don't want to. My listening experience with ELP finishes with Works Vol II (and EL Powell).. I just don't want to go any further.

I heard St. Anger when it first came out and thought it was a pointless noise with few redeeming features. 20 years later, my view might possibly have changed, but in view of the fact that I didn't like Hardwired either, I somehow doubt it...

Well, I think Hardwired... was their best since the Black Album. Death Magnetic is better than St Anger. But that just goes to show how bad St Anger really was. One of the worst metal albums ever... 

I struggle with both Works albums, an uneven mess. 
ELPowell was good. Even 3 was decent IMO. Smile


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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

I can't vote. because... and I don't know whether you'll believe this, but I have actually never listened to Love Beach... and I really don't want to. My listening experience with ELP finishes with Works Vol II (and EL Powell).. I just don't want to go any further.

I heard St. Anger when it first came out and thought it was a pointless noise with few redeeming features. 20 years later, my view might possibly have changed, but in view of the fact that I didn't like Hardwired either, I somehow doubt it...

Honestly, if you stop at Works Vol II you aren't missing much in my opinion.

But there are only a couple decent songs that appear later in their career.

- The Score (9:08)
- Desde La Vida (7:06)
- Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman (20:13)
- Changing States (6:01)


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I struggle with both Works albums, an uneven mess. 
ELPowell was good. Even 3 was decent IMO. Smile

At the risk of going slightly off topic, I think Works I is quite underrated. It's going to be uneven, given the nature of the writing, but Emerson's PC is quite superb. The weakest parts for me are Lake's meanderings which continued onto W II, which is at best, pleasantly diverting but nothing more. I just couldn't cope with the notion of 'ELP goes AOR' on Love Beach.. it's a car crash I choose not to watch in real time.. Ouch
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

I just couldn't cope with the notion of 'ELP goes AOR' on Love Beach.. it's a car crash I choose not to watch in real time.. Ouch

I don't know if I'd call that AOR. There are some easy listening songs indeed, the problem I have these days are the bad lyrics, rather than the music/instrumentation. 


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I actually believe "Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman" is an underrated track. I'd even go as far to say it's a top 10 track for the band.

There are also various covers of "St. Anger" online that show these songs actually have some merit. I believe the biggest problem is the album's terrible production and sound choices.




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I actually believe "Memoirs Of An Officer And A Gentleman" is an underrated track. I'd even go as far to say it's a top 10 track for the band.

However, there are various covers of "St. Anger" online that show these songs themselves actually have some merit. The real problem in my opinion is with the album's terrible production and sound choices.

It's not just the production, but also the song-writing, poor lyrics, James's worst vocal performance, no solos, poor performance/drumming from Lars. 
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I'm voting for Love Beach for all the right reasons (mainly for the Beach Gees album cover), even though I've never heard of the Metallica song. Embarrassed

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

It's not just the production, but also the song-writing, poor lyrics, James's worst vocal performance, no solos, poor performance/drumming from Lars. 

I agree, but I consider the production to be the biggest culprit. At least with better production these poorly written songs would be an easier listen. LOL

However, like you said, this album doesn't just have one problem it has numerous.


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Let me take you to the BEACH !
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Love Beach has its moments, whereas St. Anger shoulda been scrapped.
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At least Love Beach doesn't have that POS snare sound.
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Ok, Love Beach is underwhelming at best, but how can it always come up in conversations on "worst" albums when In The Hot Seat exists?
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Love Beach. Not as bad as many people rate it, at least to my ears.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I struggle with both Works albums, an uneven mess. 
ELPowell was good. Even 3 was decent IMO. Smile

At the risk of going slightly off topic, I think Works I is quite underrated. It's going to be uneven, given the nature of the writing, but Emerson's PC is quite superb. The weakest parts for me are Lake's meanderings which continued onto W II, which is at best, pleasantly diverting but nothing more. I just couldn't cope with the notion of 'ELP goes AOR' on Love Beach.. it's a car crash I choose not to watch in real time.. Ouch
 

It appears to me that within the fandom of ELP there seems to be a split between those who prefer Emersons contrubutions and those who prefer Lakes approach to their output.

Personally, I fall into the Lake camp. I listen to ELP mostly for Lakes meanderings, on "Works" and across the rest of the ELP catalogue, whereas a lot of Emersons work leaves me cold for the most part.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Ok, Love Beach is underwhelming at best, but how can it always come up in conversations on "worst" albums when In The Hot Seat exists?

so true Smile
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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

It appears to me that within the fandom of ELP there seems to be a split between those who prefer Emersons contrubutions and those who prefer Lakes approach to their output.

Personally, I fall into the Lake camp. I listen to ELP mostly for Lakes meanderings, on "Works" and across the rest of the ELP catalogue, whereas a lot of Emersons work leaves me cold for the most part.

Greg has a superb voice and I personally think both Lizard and Islands would have sounded better for their inclusion. I am sure their co-writing on the first 5 albums brought out the best in each other and when they distanced themselves for Works, they both suffered but for me, Lake's side of the disk is fairly forgettable, sorry. 
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