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Id agree with you on Rush, but with that im gonna have to declare that the only album of theirs ive heard so far is Moving Picutres.   I know its perhaps premature to judge a band from only the one album.

Im gonna nominate Dream Theater.   So far i have listened to 4 albums by them and i am not impressed.   These guys are supposed to be the poster boys of progressive metal aswell.   I think their fairly over rated to be honest.  When DM make lengthy songs, its like they just random shuffle it together from lots of riffs and melodies they have created in the drawing board room and hope that the song will make sense.

Ive listened to albums from prog metal bands that are seemingly influenced from Dream Theater, but they are better at at, like Dark Water and Dreamscape.
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Id agree with you on Rush, but with that im gonna have to declare that the only album of theirs ive heard so far is Moving Picutres.   I know its perhaps premature to judge a band from only the one album.

Im gonna nominate Dream Theater.   So far i have listened to 4 albums by them and i am not impressed.   These guys are supposed to be the poster boys of progressive metal aswell.   I think their fairly over rated to be honest.  When DM make lengthy songs, its like they just random shuffle it together from lots of riffs and melodies they have created in the drawing board room and hope that the song will make sense.

Ive listened to albums from prog metal bands that are seemingly influenced from Dream Theater, but they are better at at, like Dark Water and Dreamscape.

it really depends what DT albums you listened to. 
"Random shuffle"? That's an exaggeration. 

Darkwater are great, better than later day DT definitely. 
Dreamscape? they got more influences than DT in their sound, makes for an enjoyable listen for anyone that enjoyed progressive power metal. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


it really depends what DT albums you listened to. 
"Random shuffle"? That's an exaggeration. 

Darkwater are great, better than later day DT definitely. 
Dreamscape? they got more influences than DT in their sound, makes for an enjoyable listen for anyone that enjoyed progressive power metal. 

The albums of Dream Theater ive listened so far are Images and Words, Awake (terrible album), Falling Into Infinity, Train of Thought, and as of writing this, halfway through Scenes From A Memory.  To me, between 80% to 90% of all those songs from all those albums are bog standard at best.   And so far i do not think DT are good at making 10 minute plus songs, and they do sound like they are not planned and constructed well (hence why i said put together by random shuffle).

I only have the one Darkwater album, Calling The Earth To Witness, but id rate it better than any of the DT albums ive heard so far.

I have 2 albums by Dreamscape, Very, and End of Silence.   The latter is a great album, and End of Light is easily one of the best epic length prog songs ive ever heard.  the former is not as good, but still worth owning if your into prog metal, and still better than any of the DT albums ive heard thus far.


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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

The albums of Dream Theater ive listened so far are Images and Words, Awake (terrible album), Falling Into Infinity, Train of Thought, and as of writing this, halfway through Scenes From A Memory.  To me, between 80% to 90% of all those songs from all those albums are bog standard at best.   And so far i do not think DT are good at making 10 minute plus songs, and they do sound like they are not planned and constructed well (hence why i said put together by random shuffle).

I only have the one Darkwater album, Calling The Earth To Witness, but id rate it better than any of the DT albums ive heard so far.

I have 2 albums by Dreamscape, Very, and End of Silence.   The latter is a great album, and End of Light is easily one of the best epic length prog songs ive ever heard.  the former is not as good, but still worth owning if your into prog metal, and still better than any of the DT albums ive heard thus far.

OMG, Awake is my favorite Dream Theater album. LOL
Train of Thought is their best 2000s album IMO. 
DT have got a few epics that are great (like Change of Seasons), others ok to listenable. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

The albums of Dream Theater ive listened so far are Images and Words, Awake (terrible album), Falling Into Infinity, Train of Thought, and as of writing this, halfway through Scenes From A Memory.  To me, between 80% to 90% of all those songs from all those albums are bog standard at best.   And so far i do not think DT are good at making 10 minute plus songs, and they do sound like they are not planned and constructed well (hence why i said put together by random shuffle).

I only have the one Darkwater album, Calling The Earth To Witness, but id rate it better than any of the DT albums ive heard so far.

I have 2 albums by Dreamscape, Very, and End of Silence.   The latter is a great album, and End of Light is easily one of the best epic length prog songs ive ever heard.  the former is not as good, but still worth owning if your into prog metal, and still better than any of the DT albums ive heard thus far.




OMG, Awake is my favorite Dream Theater album. LOL
Train of Thought is their best 2000s album IMO. 
DT have got a few epics that are great (like Change of Seasons), others ok to listenable. 


All just opinions, but Awake is not one of my favourites whereas I&W is one of the greatest albums ever made!!! When this came out it blew me away!!!

Will have to check out Darkwater and Dreamscape….

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One of Dream Theater's finest moments.....

The Spirit Carries On - Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York

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The worst band I can think of that has any kind of international status is Transatlantic. Contrary to most bands that up their game in a live context, Transatlantic was probably the worst prog concert I have ever had the misfortune to witness, besides maybe Laurie Anderson, but she is not really prog. Endless noodling and Beatles covers and drum solo's by that horrible Dream Theatre drummer. Please let this stop soon!
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Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The worst band I can think of that has any kind of international status is Transatlantic. Contrary to most bands that up their game in a live context, Transatlantic was probably the worst prog concert I have ever had the misfortune to witness, besides maybe Laurie Anderson, but she is not really prog. Endless noodling and Beatles covers and drum solo's by that horrible Dream Theatre drummer. Please let this stop soon!

So because you dislike them, they need to stop making music, eh? LOL Exaggerating much? Ermm
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Im gonna nominate Dream Theater.   So far i have listened to 4 albums by them and i am not impressed.   These guys are supposed to be the poster boys of progressive metal aswell.   I think their fairly over rated to be honest.  When DM make lengthy songs, its like they just random shuffle it together from lots of riffs and melodies they have created in the drawing board room and hope that the song will make sense.

It's an unpopular opinion, or "hot take," but I feel Dream Theater peaked with Awake, which will be thirty years old next year! Kevin Moore was arguably the most interesting guy in the band, and that was his last album with them. I do like the EP A Change of Seasons, and the next album, Falling into Infinity, which both feature Derek Sherinian in the keyboard seat.

After that, things seem less focused. Earlier epics like "Learning to Live" and "Metropolis Pt. 1" are Dream Theater at their best. Every note, every beat sounds deliberate and apt. Petrucci's solos and Moore's textures are engaging and exciting. I still prefer their first vocalist Charlie Dominici to Labrie.

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Ive listened to albums from prog metal bands that are seemingly influenced from Dream Theater, but they are better at at, like Dark Water and Dreamscape.

Threshold started as a band very much influenced by Dream Theater, but apart from some hiccups have proved to be a much more enjoyable band in the long run, beginning with their third album Extinct Instinct.

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

One of Dream Theater's finest moments.....

The Spirit Carries On - Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York

I'm almost sorry to have to say this, but this song marks the point where Dream Theater stops me from buying their albums. That tune should've gone straight into the bin. LOL
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Awake (terrible album)

Still just about my favourite of theirs... I still remember the profound impact it made on me, on it's release back in 1994. I'd never heard anything like it and, although I don't listen to it much now, I'll still defend it as being quite an incredible, original piece of art...
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I have a lot of mixed feelings about Dream Theater in spite of seeing three times live and spending a lot of my hours listening.

I also prefer Kevin Moore of the three Keyboard players for his musicality even though Rudess is a monster player. Similarly, I never quite got how Pertucci got elevated to the status he's gotten - in those days Shrapnel Records was attracting so many of these guys and other guys with more originality like Greg Howe never got the same kind of recognition. (He did get to play some big stages with Michael Jackson - wearing Jennifer Batten's wig!!!) Don't get me wrong, Pertucci is a monster and the amount of music all of those guys memorize for a gig is mindboggling. 

DT is for me more important historically for carrying the torch through the dark days of grunge and then spreading the flame than their actual work. 


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Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The worst band I can think of that has any kind of international status is Transatlantic. Contrary to most bands that up their game in a live context, Transatlantic was probably the worst prog concert I have ever had the misfortune to witness, besides maybe Laurie Anderson, but she is not really prog. Endless noodling and Beatles covers and drum solo's by that horrible Dream Theatre drummer. Please let this stop soon!

I don't get Transatlantic either.  Got a few CDs and a concert DVD.  Does not excite or intrigue moi.
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based on some recommendations/ reviews, I purchased Transatlantic's Bridge Across Forever and Spock's Beard's Snow in about 2004 or maybe 2005. Those might have been my two most disappointing purchases (I was spending too much on music then and not being very careful with my purchases).
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I also prefer Kevin Moore of the three Keyboard players for his musicality even though Rudess is a monster player. Similarly, I never quite got how Pertucci got elevated to the status he's gotten - in those days Shrapnel Records was attracting so many of these guys and other guys with more originality like Greg Howe never got the same kind of recognition. (He did get to play some big stages with Michael Jackson - wearing Jennifer Batten's wig!!!) Don't get me wrong, Pertucci is a monster and the amount of music all of those guys memorize for a gig is mindboggling.

I agree Greg Howe tends to get lost in the deluge of "shred" guitarists, but his early solo efforts are great (the same goes for Tony MacAlpine).

Greg appears on the fourth album of Simon Phillips' fusion project, Protocol. It's probably the best of the five.
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Originally posted by telefunk telefunk wrote:

The worst band I can think of that has any kind of international status is Transatlantic. Contrary to most bands that up their game in a live context, Transatlantic was probably the worst prog concert I have ever had the misfortune to witness, besides maybe Laurie Anderson, but she is not really prog. Endless noodling and Beatles covers and drum solo's by that horrible Dream Theatre drummer. Please let this stop soon!


Couldn't agree more, and this is coming from someone who is a massive fan of Pete Trewavas and Roine Stolt.
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