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Gerinski 
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To the Power of 3.
As has been said, Rush with albums like Grace Under Pressure. |
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I don't think 3 qualifies. That's a forgettable platter of sappy pop rock.
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What exactly is new wave prog? I am not sure, but when I hear the term, I think Alex Lifeson's haircut in the Subdivisions video.
Going back to that time period. A lot of what I thought of to be new wave was through MTV. Made me think of Saga with their World's Apart and Heads or Tails albums. |
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Hi, Not sure about this much, at least from some of the early albums that are not new wave at all and are very, very prog with mechanics in the music that most prog bands are not even associated with, due to their commercial branding! But considering Brian "New Wave" is kinda silly ... the folks at New Age stores disliked Eno a heck of a lot, and one of these folks here in Portland, even stated that she refused to carry anything with his name! I guess it didn't support that image of the fairy and women ... like so much of their junk!
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I don't see how Eno is new-wave
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tbf though Camera Camera from Renaissance is actually a really good album. Can'tbspeak for the others on the list though. Their next album, Time-Line, is actually a really good album, too, but it is just not a prog album, which is why it is so negatively viewed by fans - but as a pop rock/new wave album its good :)
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He's not! He's art pop, ambient and experimental rock. Likewise i could never understand why Roxy Music is considered prog :/
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You're right. I forgot to put Saga on my list. They were definitely both in the 80s. And added! |
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well, yeas, obviously.
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I'd posit that he invented new wave, along with Fripp. He started this with Roxy Music. |
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^ that song sounds like new wave but his earlier stuff along with Roxy is more of an arty glam rock. I have all his 70s albums and love them but consider them art rock more than new wave. I find early Sparks to sound more like the first new wave. Eno was definitely an influence though as was Roxy but to call them new wave? Hmmm. One of those murky areas where we all see different origins i guess!
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From Wikipedia: Far Out magazine cited the avant-rock music of Captain Beefheart as laying "the groundwork for post-punk, new wave, and no wave, allowing the likes of Brian Eno and David Bowie to pick up from where Beefheart had left off". Eno damn near invented the genre.
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so Captain Beefheart laid the groundwork for post-punk before even punk existed?!  I get it Roxy Music and Bowie were an influence on new wave and 80s music in general, but Brian Eno solo?! Can you give me an example. Eno was one of the creators for electronic music/ambient but new-wave? I don't know |
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^ Brian Eno's first two solo albums were New Wave before he went ambient on his third album.
 1974: Eno - Here Come the Warm Jets - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_moR9X6cxRuocK1f6IA8WkC7iOkCALADcw 1974: Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-YPxbjojpRLYkx63hTKUM-_XVd5hoh7o |
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One of the most new wave prog albums is actually Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen, arguably quite a bit more new wave than prog but of course there's Fripp on it, and it is a stunningly good new wave album. The later Discipline then brings more prog in again, but I love both of these to pieces.
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The Residents have always been pretty new wavish. Peter Hammill was well appreciated in the 1980s and it is clear why - he went in a similar direction already with Nadir's Big Chance and had transparent edgy song writing on the late 70s/early 80s albums; he wasn't exactly influenced by new wave I'd say, rather he created his own new wave (as did Residents). Holger Czukay's Way to the Peak of Normal takes up some hints, more obviously on Biomutanten, and Full Circle and Snake Charmer, where he collaborated with post punk icon Jah Wobble. On the more poppy side, even Novalis and Anyone's Daughter threw in some contemporary influences on their 80s albums. Of course we're not here talking about bands such as Japan, This Heat, Cardiacs, who started at the time, but these are absolutely worth a listen for those few here who don't know them already.
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What a fun mix of supreme and cringeworthy! I think some of those I just named would well qualify for being there.
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Eno produced early albums by Talking Heads and Devo, as well as the seminal No New York compilation. His "Seven Deadly Fins" song was very popular on early new wave radio shows.
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^ i totally agree that Eno was a precursor to new wave as was Bowie and all those bands like the Stooges that are now considered proto-punk however i never thought of him as new wave himself because new wave refers to a branch of punk rock that took a more melodic route somewhere around 1977 at the earliest. The term also refers to a period of time that featured a range of genres ranging from synthpop and power pop to pub rock, 2 Tone, ska, progressive pop and new romantic. Since Bowie had albums like Let's Dance come out during that era he does qualify but Eno's albums from that era were pretty much limited to ambient and electronic. New Wave is one of those fuzzy nebulous terms many will never fully agree on. |
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Indeed, as well as Aussie phenoms "Icehouse." Eno was a true musical pioneer, and he laid the groundwork for "new wave," whatever the hell THAT is! (I hate all of these arbitrary definitions, music is a continuum). He was also a force in the reactionary "No Wave" movement!! |
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