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    Posted: April 19 2023 at 19:16
To start off we have Rush, maybe I haven't listened to them enough but I just can't find anything to truly enjoy in the music. 

Next up is the proto-prog band... The Beatles, if there is one group I can't stand its the Beatles, I just dislike their music and I don't care for their personalities either, especially John Lennon. 

Pink Floyd, not exactly the music but the group, I don't really care for all the drama within them.

David Bowie, for his remarks about fascism and the fact his music just is boring. sorry

Zappa, I don't know what the hype is about him, mostly just annoys me if I'm being honest.

And those are my top groups, I'd love to hear opinions and lists of your own.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Negoba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2023 at 19:33
I've certainly reviewed some albums I didn't like, but in general, why spend time talking down about artists you don't like? There's so much easily available music, enjoy the stuff you enjoy and just leave the rest be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VultureCulture07 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2023 at 19:53
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I've certainly reviewed some albums I didn't like, but in general, why spend time talking down about artists you don't like? There's so much easily available music, enjoy the stuff you enjoy and just leave the rest be.


Absolutely valid, and I agree but sometimes it's just fun to talk trash, maybe a better topic would've been least favorite albums vs favorite albums by certain artists.
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Try this:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35270

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It’s an album where I can admire the attempt but don’t enjoy so much. I did listen to the whole thing twice.

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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I've certainly reviewed some albums I didn't like, but in general, why spend time talking down about artists you don't like? There's so much easily available music, enjoy the stuff you enjoy and just leave the rest be.
Because people are different maybe? And some people enjoy spending their time talking about things you don't particularly enjoy. Whenever I'm not interested - or into a specific topic or approach I simply try to stay away. But I also like to argue:

-I do think most of the reasonings in the opening post are kind of lazy and unfair. There's hardly a mention of what these bands/artists actually created. Mainly just tabloid non-music related stuff. An approach I find sort of irrelevant. But then again we're all different. Still: you may think Bowies music is boring, but his art and Bowie as a human being does not deserve to be judged by a few drugged out missteps (imo). Also the 1970's was a different era. Around the same time punks wore the swastika just to provoke and be offensive - not because they were nazis.

Bowie attempted to explain and acknowledge wrongdoing with his past statements about Nazi Germany and fascism, per news reports, suggesting his heavy cocaine usage at the time, mixed with a dark obsession with the occult, created the unhealthy fixation with fascist mythology. He told NME in 1980:

That whole Station To Station tour was done under duress. I was out of my mind totally, completely crazed. Really. But the main thing I was functioning on was - as far as that whole thing about Hitler and rightism was concerned - it was mythology. [...]

This whole racist thing which came up, quite inevitably and rightly. But, and I know this sounds terribly naive, but none of that had actually occurred to me, inasmuch as I'd been working and still do work with Black musicians for the past six or seven years. And we'd all talk about it together — about the Arthurian period, about the magical side of the whole Nazi campaign, and about the mythology involved. [...]

Yes, during that exact era Bowie's band comprised mostly of Black and Puerto Rican New Yorkers. I see no reason not to believe his explaination and regret, and forgive his confused stupidity.

-Now personally there's many hundreds of progbands I dislike (or maybe I'm just indifferent), and I don't know where to start. But it's all about their music. Nothing else.



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The Fab Four are not prog, proto or any other subgenre nonsense....They are a boy band creating bubble gum music for girls....and that's a music genre LOL.

I love a good beat down....
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Originally posted by VultureCulture07 VultureCulture07 wrote:

To start off we have Rush, maybe I haven't listened to them enough but I just can't find anything to truly enjoy in the music. 

Next up is the proto-prog band... The Beatles, if there is one group I can't stand its the Beatles, I just dislike their music and I don't care for their personalities either, especially John Lennon. 

Pink Floyd, not exactly the music but the group, I don't really care for all the drama within them.

David Bowie, for his remarks about fascism and the fact his music just is boring. sorry

Zappa, I don't know what the hype is about him, mostly just annoys me if I'm being honest.

And those are my top groups, I'd love to hear opinions and lists of your own.

Nobody likes the drama in bands. But it's not a reason enough not to listen to the music. if that was the case, i would never be listening to King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Yes, Genesis and many others. 

I don't care for the Beatles personalities, especially Lennon either, still like their music. 

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But the drama is inherently human. It's what the most active threads on this forum are normally about. Who cares about the music? We want to know what Roger has to say about David's socks or who clogged up Nick's toilet. Wink
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

-Now personally there's many hundreds of progbands I dislike (or maybe I'm just indifferent), and I don't know where to start. But it's all about their music. Nothing else.


Very good post indeed... Clap

For me, it always about the Art, almost never the artist. Whenever we talk about Roger and Dave, for me, it's always encased in a terrible sadness and deep regret that they were simply unable to work together, to delight the world with wonderful albums... maybe it's just me, but I've never been a fan of Roger's solo work while Dave's always seems to be missing something; to me, it really is one of the great tragedies.

If I was to write a list of bands I really don't 'get', it tends to bemuse people who think 'why do you like A and not B? Surely they are quite similar? Maybe, but it's never worked like that for me, and in the past I have almost beat my head against a wall, trying to understand what others see in a band's art, but I don't do that any more. I think I've become more conservative and am happy to listen to what I'm happy with...
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Originally posted by VultureCulture07 VultureCulture07 wrote:

Pink Floyd, not exactly the music but the group, I don't really care for all the drama within them.
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Wot Drama?? Confused

You should look at Yes for that
Nope, maybe that band is a Soap OperaLOL




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Originally posted by VultureCulture07 VultureCulture07 wrote:

To start off we have Rush, maybe I haven't listened to them enough but I just can't find anything to truly enjoy in the music. 

Next up is the proto-prog band... The Beatles, if there is one group I can't stand its the Beatles, I just dislike their music and I don't care for their personalities either, especially John Lennon. 

Pink Floyd, not exactly the music but the group, I don't really care for all the drama within them.

David Bowie, for his remarks about fascism and the fact his music just is boring. sorry

Zappa, I don't know what the hype is about him, mostly just annoys me if I'm being honest.

And those are my top groups, I'd love to hear opinions and lists of your own.


Hi,

Welcome to the jungle!

In all reality, you were definitely born in the wrong time and place. Almost everyone you mention was a major factor in the history of rock music, and it doesn't matter if you like them or not ... Picasso, Stravinsky, Burroughs ... they can all flip a finger to the naysayers ... but their names and work is recognized!

I wouldn't be listening to MUSIC if I had "dislikes" ... the whole idea is shameful to the art form, in my book! One either respects the art form, or one doesn't ... and take the favorites out of a kid-sized equation.

Reality ... now you can select all your metal bands!
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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I don't care for the Beatles personalities, especially Lennon either, still like their music. 



Hi,

The personalities, is inevitable, when one gets so famous ... were they not so much the darlings and the "sell" for the media, no one would have paid attention to their words, or likely the music.

But, I do think that what the history of rock music has shown that them, along with others, the likes of The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, for example, set a new course that didn't exist is music at the time, and as such, are the main reason why we can hear so much and appreciate so much music today ... not to say that someone else could have done this, but if you had an AM radio (in America) and were listening to it, you know that the Beatles were a breadth of fresh air, something that almost all the "dislikers" do not see ... it's bubblegum music, versus music with more content ... how can anyone compare any of the Beatles early stuff to just about anything in the Billboard's top lists at the time.

And just to be fair, in Madison, WI there was a DJ on the radio that was trashing Janis, Jim, and others for being pretentious and stupid, and trying to be "original" ... he called both just stoned out ash-holes that did not know music from their farts. No kidding on this!

Today's listeners, for the most part, have no idea how much "fighting" and "standing up" for their work they had to do and be, so they could be what they wanted to be.

I find it weird that someone criticizes DB for using black and PR musicians and such, when the idea was to NOT SOUND like everyone else ... and we're criticizing his choices ... pretty soon everyone here will be criticizing me for using a PC, and not an HP, or an Apple (you won't catch me dead with anything Apple!) ... and at the end of the day, their originality is not understood COMPARATIVELY to the time and place ... these folks are comparing it to what they like ... or don't like, so "different" music means ... it's bad!


Edited by moshkito - April 20 2023 at 07:21
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


I find it weird that someone criticizes DB for using black and PR musicians and such, when the idea was to NOT SOUND like everyone else ... and we're criticizing his choices
I'm doing the exact opposite and actually defending him, but maybe you're thinking about someone else.
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The OP must be trolling but anyway Lennon is actually the only major celeb/musician I've ever felt sad about losing. Also without The Beatles I doubt there would be 90% of the music in existence that I like. Is there Life On Mars? This thread suggests there might not be much life on Earth!
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Hi,

Welcome to the jungle!

In all reality, you were definitely born in the wrong time and place. Almost everyone you mention was a major factor in the history of rock music, and it doesn't matter if you like them or not ... Picasso, Stravinsky, Burroughs ... they can all flip a finger to the naysayers ... but their names and work is recognized!

I wouldn't be listening to MUSIC if I had "dislikes" ... the whole idea is shameful to the art form, in my book! One either respects the art form, or one doesn't ... and take the favorites out of a kid-sized equation.

Reality ... now you can select all your metal bands!
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I'm not trying to deny or challenge their importance and impact in the world of music. I think my post was an immature post, I was bored and thought that this would be funny. As many have pointed out I definitely have to a certain extent disrespected the art. I also completely agree with the people who say disliking a band because of drama is dumb, which it is, so I take back what I said about Pink Floyd. The Beatles I'm just not much of a fan of, now I do appreciate what they did for music, because without them who knows what music would look like. David Bowie, I put him more because I don't like his voice, but musically he is great and I won't deny that he is one of the best art rockers of the 20th century, same thing goes for Zappa. As for Rush, they have been growing on me recently so they probably shouldn't be up there.

Moral of this is don't be like me and post your random gripes that you are having when you're tired and your medicine is worn off online. You will make yourself look immature or foolish like I have done. Thank you all for calling me out, I do genuinely appreciate it.
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Originally posted by VultureCulture07 VultureCulture07 wrote:


Moral of this is don't be like me and post your random gripes that you are having when you're tired and your medicine is worn off online. You will make yourself look immature or foolish like I have done. Thank you all for calling me out, I do genuinely appreciate it.
A little immature perhaps, but you responded maturely. And I think there's a place for similar discussions. One could hope for opinions of a "higher quality" perhaps, but even this hasn't been all useless. It's just more interesting to learn what rubs you the wrong way in regards to the actual music - and why. Which you do touch upon in the post I'm replying to (well, not so much the "why"). Anyway no big deal, and no one is at their best every day. I should know. 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by VultureCulture07 VultureCulture07 wrote:

Pink Floyd, not exactly the music but the group, I don't really care for all the drama within them.
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You should look at Yes for that
Nope, maybe that band is a Soap OperaLOL


I'd always assumed it's The Kinks who were a Soap Opera. Tongue




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There're surely some bands, or more exactly speaking their music, I don't like, but I try now not to dig it too much for the sake
of those who like them.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The Fab Four are not prog, proto or any other subgenre nonsense....They are a boy band creating bubble gum music for girls....and that's a music genre LOL.

I love a good beat down....

LOL

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

There're surely some bands, or more exactly speaking their music, I don't like, but I try now not to dig it too much for the sake
of those who like them.

But I can still laugh of some funny remarks.

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