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Mr ProgFreak
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Yes, I will change it accordingly, makes sense. My goal here is simply that as you, the team members, are using the charts, the PF database also gets filled with a little more info than just the bare artist names. I don't want to impose any rules on how you are actually using the charts which interfere with how you are evaluating the artists.
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moshkito
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Hi, Not fair. I made the comment that today we're finding a lot of bands that just did one album, and appreciating them, which caused a doubt in my mind, although myself, and Guy Guden, we went out and found the music and did not worry about their being one or two in their catalog, but some things were easier to follow ... for example, when SEVENTH WAVE was released, it ended up getting SECOND HAND an immediate listen, and it was added to the current listing of the show. I, honestly, don't want to represent anyone, simply because of the attitude that you are showing ... which, while I accept it, is really somewhat disrespectful, because in essence you are denying my own points and views regardless. PA has its great side ... but it also has its bad side, by "Admins" that continually disrespect their friends, and folks that post, right or wrong ... even if at 72, I accidentally mention Idi Amin in the wrong section! But in essence, and the worst part, is that you are "denying" someone that has been "there" right from the start, simply because I can not agree in full to all the PA this and that which you have personally. Which makes your post personal, and not appreciative of all the listenership and talent out there in the posts. Sorry PF ... the post was honest, and seeing/hearing the thoughts behind the single album idea is great for me, and did not require a left foot to the balls!
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Moshkito - this thread is about how Progfreak is used by the Progarchives genre teams to assess bands for inclusion in PA. It is therefore logical that the opinions we want to solicit on that subject are from those people on the genre teams who are actually doing the work as volunteers. I mean no disrespect. I purely want to make sure that this is a focused discussion. I also don't want any changes made to the way we use PF without it being aligned internally rather than reacting to every suggestion made.
If you feel disrespected that is on you. This discussion is not about you or anyone else not on the genre teams.
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Ian
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Mr ProgFreak
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Well, after some consideration I have reconsidered. My main motivation here is that pa collabs enter some releases and assign basic tags to artists during the evaluation, to improve the PF timeline. But I don't really want to force anyone to do anything, that wasn't such a good idea.
So I've just removed the requirement and instead there's now an info text that reminds team members that there's no release with minimal tags. They can then decide whether they want to take the time to add them or not, and I will not judge them either way. Sorry for the trouble! Prog on
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Mr ProgFreak
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One small thing: I noticed that some collabs are adding releases with bandcamp links as titles. Could we please find another solution? For all releases that you add, I'm adding all the necessary links in a timely fashion. I have an efficient way of doing that, and for that to work all you need to do is to add releases with the correct title.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Can you post a couple of examples so I can check it out?
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Ian
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Cristi
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I think i did that. I realize now it's the wrong way. I won't do it anymore. Someone explain to us how to add links on the new PF.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Just put in the base text information & Mike will handle the links in PF. I suggest that the links are put in the genre team thread on PA so that the team members can access from there if they want to get them before Mike puts them up on PF. Something like this :-
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Mr ProgFreak
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My idea for the new Progfreak is that I'm adding all the links. I have built some scripts to help, so it doesn't take me long to do it. The only disadvantage is that you need to wait a little while for the links to appear. The advantage for me is that I keep track of the releases that get added, and I can make sure that there's also cover art, release dates and tracklists (if possible).
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Cristi
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ok, I'll try that. I also put the suggestion threads and listening links in the team threads.
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Mr ProgFreak
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The artist Gordy added yesterday is a good example of why artist entries by themselves are problematic - "Locomotive" from the UK. It's difficult to find releases via Google. In that case it would be extremely helpful if someone who already knows some of the releases would just add them to the database. It's always much easier to find info on the combination of release name and artist name.
Another option for me (which I am pursuing) is simply adding all the releases which are being added to PA, in a semi-automatic way. That would also open up an interesting option for the genre charts: If all PA artists are in the PF database (e.g. for all the PF artists we know whether they are on PA or not), I could provide input to the genre charts: A list of all the artists tagged as progressive which are not already on PA. Working on it
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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It's this one Would seem reasonable that a minimum of one album is added when the entry is added as we need one album to review.
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Ian
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Mr ProgFreak
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There it is, found it on Musicbrainz and Amazon as well: https://progfreak.com/releases/55500
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Mr ProgFreak
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Hey, how are you doing? I've been busy re-activating the auto-tagger, and now more than 80% of all the pa artists are connected to the corresponding artist entries at pf. That means that I'll soon be able to list candidates for the pa charts, based on the progressiveness assigned by pf users (and the RYM auto-tagger), automatically filtering out artists that are already on PA. Hopefully you'll find it useful
An unrelated question: In the Prog Folk/Rock genre, would you say that most of the bands are mostly Rock with Folk influence, or the other way around? I'm wondering how to tag them, either as "Progressive Folk" or as "Progressive Folk Rock".
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Unfortunately, I honestly think there can be a case made for both! Some bands definitely come from the folk traditions (The Pentangle, Steeleye Span, Malicorne), some want to give their folk music a rock edge (Spirogyra, John Martyn) or their rock music a folk edge (Jethro Tull).
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Mr ProgFreak
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^ That's why I created PF, so that releases can be "Progressive Folk", "Progressive Folk Rock", or even "Progressive Rock/Folk". Or "Heavy Progressive Folk" etc.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Please don't use the release comments to post bandcamp links - that is a LOT of work for me to clean up. If you need the bandcamp link for the artist urgently, please post it here and I will add it for you.
BTW: I'm working on enabling everyone (or at least collabs and pa genre chart members) to add external links. I realize that you are used to doing it yourself, please bear with me. :-)
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Cristi
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I still don't know how to add links to the bands.
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