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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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You constantly finding reasons to complain about anything has become tedious. So much negativity... Ouch


Hi,

When will you start making comments that are not personal? Embarrassed

I love music and have for all my life. My comments are not "negative" as much as they are COMPARATIVE which is something that you do not seem to understand.

I don't dislike anything in music and you will rarely find a bad comment on an album or band, other than a small joke. A "solo", by its definition, is a PERSONAL/INDIVIDUAL moment within a song, and while I am not saying that it does not fit here and there, it has its places, and many folks have done it right, and made it work, however, I think ... possibly ... that we're enamored with the solo, and who gives a damn about the rest of the song, or the music?

Another example, is Miles Davis ... it's really difficult to not consider what he did a "solo", almost non-stop ... and I have no issue with it, because it opened up a sort of musicianship to many folks that was not quite visible, and it is a treat to watch, and then, later, to appreciate.

Another guitarist that does what could be considered "solos" in the music is Jimmy Page ... but rarely are these not a very clear continuation and a strong part of the song itself ... I like it this way ... instead of apart from the whole thing.

I prefer the complete piece of music.

Another example. Folks talk about opera, mostly because of the "arias", but none of these were ever mentioned as not being a legitimate part of the complete piece, and one of the most emotional moments of the pieces. That was never designed as a "solo" per se, which is used by many classical musicians as highlights of their abilities ... the sad thing being that no one spends time listening to the rest of it ... well, I have to tell you that Wagner taxes my listening hard ... but I can handle the Italians.

Now you know my point about a "solo" ... it has to be clearly a part of the music, not separated.

Nobody separates anything, I was right, i don't think you understand what this thread is about. 
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Rick Wakeman - Close to the Edge and Awaken
Tony Banks _ The Cinema Show,
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Just a few that pop up in my mind:

Argent - Hold Your Head Up
Genesis - Apocalypse in 9/8, The Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth
IQ - My Baby Treats Me Right 'Cos I'm a Hard Lovin' Man All Night Long
Kansas - Piano solo introducing Lonely Wind (Two for the Show)
UK - Carrying No Cross
Rick Wakeman - Excerpts from The Six Wives of Henry VIII (Yessongs)


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anything by Tony Banks but Cinema show is my fav by anyone
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Are we talkin' improvised solo? Or written solo? Because that delineation needs to be made. How can I compare the aforementioned George Duke solo from Don't You Ever... (one that sprang to mind for me as well, my cheesy friend), with The Raven solo from Slippermen (another goodie)? One was brilliantly composed on the spot, and one was crafted and honed over a period of time until the player was satisfied with how it sounded.

Usually, the focus is on the finished work and not necessarily the process.

Let's face it, a lot of the prog guys we love may not be able to cook up something on the spot à la George Duke. That's why he's the Duke!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Usually, the focus is on the finished work and not necessarily the process.

Let's face it, a lot of the prog guys we love may not be able to cook up something on the spot à la George Duke. That's why he's the Duke!
I just realized that, since I don't listen to a lot of live releases, I don't really have much knowledge whether players are really able to capture the same magic live as in the studio (apart from bands where this is a core aspect, like in jazz fusion).
Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Are we talkin' improvised solo? Or written solo? Because that delineation needs to be made. How can I compare the aforementioned George Duke solo from Don't You Ever... (one that sprang to mind for me as well, my cheesy friend), with The Raven solo from Slippermen (another goodie)? One was brilliantly composed on the spot, and one was crafted and honed over a period of time until the player was satisfied with how it sounded.
With studio solos you can't really tell how many tries they've had, or if they iterated on something to arrive at some point (unless the artist has unveiled that or there are other recordings from the studio sessions available). So yeah, there is a bit of difference there I suppose. Then again, for the listener the end result is mostly the same.
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Now you know my point about a "solo" ... it has to be clearly a part of the music, not separated.
That doesn't mean that oftentimes you can denote exactly when in a song the solo starts and when it ends, and it also doesn't mean that you can't have particular solos that you like. Contrary to what you're claiming, you can often take the solo out of the song and still greatly enjoy it. There's entire Zappa albums built around that concept.

And it's completely irrelevant what's going on in the world of opera, because we're talking about solos in the world of rock music. And here they are often a clearly defined part of a song.
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Wakeman's Hammond solo, "Roundabout" 

Emerson's work on the entire first side of "Tarkus" 

Moraz's synth solo on "Relayer" 
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Lot of Tony Banks : most liked are Cinema Show,Apocalypse in 9/8,In The cage, Riding the scree, Watcher of the skies (mellotron intro), Hammond In Stagnation, The Knife's Hammond riff ...
Martin Orford : Further away
Patrick Moraz : Relayer
Rick Wakemen : Close to the edge , Yessongs 'solo, Awaken and a lot more
Lol Creme : Piano solo (10 cc one night in Paris)
Robin Lumley : Nuclear burn 'synth solo
Keith Emerson : Tarkus's intro, Jerusalem (church organ), and a lot more

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Martin Orford - Sleepless Incidental
Kevin Moore - Metropolis Part 1
Tony Banks - Cinema Show
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Adam Holzman - Home Invasion/ Regret #9 (Steven Wilson)
Kerry Minnear - Working All Day (Gentle Giant)
Jerry Corbetta - Green-Eyed Lady (Sugarloaf)

To name three outside the usual suspects.
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Keith Emerson - closing solo for In the Beginning.
Peter Bardens - solo in Lunar Sea.
John Tout - opening solo for Running Hard.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

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And it's completely irrelevant what's going on in the world of opera, because we're talking about solos in the world of rock music. And here they are often a clearly defined part of a song.


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The history of music is never irrelevant, unless you have no ear for it, which is the case for many of the rockers here and in this thread. Comparing a simplistic score sheet for a rock band with 4 or 5 rows, to a Symphony with 35 rows or more of music, is ridiculous, and considering something a "solo" in a rock song, only says that what Mozart and many others did was "hide" their solos so no one considered them "solos" but a piece of the music.

A song, is also a part of music history ... if you disdain the history of music, at least say so at the start ... it's almost like saying that rock music invented the solo ... no!!! the commerciality of the rock music in the past 50 years is what has made the "solo" more important, but that doesn't mean that music history will change because of it.

Your comment about opera is an indictment about how some folks here disdain classical music, because it has no "action" or a "solo" that they have lived with all their lives! I'm not stupid enough to think that times can not change, but I am not sure, honestly, that a comment like that is not well versed and knowledgeable about music in general. AND that's not to say that 500 years of history should mandate what rock music does at all ... but I think the attitude is more fan oriented than it is "music" oriented.
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Brian Auger's Oblivion Express - "Dragon Song"
David Sancious - "Matter of Time"
Lee Michaels - "Stormy Monday"


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The history of music is never irrelevant
 
That's a matter of opinion and is only true if one considers the history of music to be important. An alternative and equally valid view is to consider each piece of music simply by how it sounds without any reference to other music, history, or any background whatsoever. First and foremost, music is to be listened to. If you want to analyse music, or place it into some larger context, historical or whatever, that's fine, but don't think that is more important than listening to music, or even important at all.
 

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The history of music is never irrelevant, unless you have no ear for it, which is the case for many of the rockers here and in this thread. Comparing a simplistic score sheet for a rock band with 4 or 5 rows, to a Symphony with 35 rows or more of music, is ridiculous, and considering something a "solo" in a rock song, only says that what Mozart and many others did was "hide" their solos so no one considered them "solos" but a piece of the music.

I could rattle off any number of solos that occur within classical compositions that are overt and in the forefront of the pieces - which is actually where the term "solo" first came into musical parlance; in fact I was just listening to Vivaldi's Le quattro stagioni. Perhaps you've never heard it? Wonderful violin solo in the First Movement of L'inverno, and it is a technical tour de force very much akin to a lead guitarist's solos in rock. It is Vivaldi showing off. But you are evidently ignorant of classical music. Perhaps you should discuss something you know about somewhere else -- on another forum, perhaps, where you don't have to keep insulting people.  

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Your comment about opera is an indictment about how some folks here disdain classical music, because it has no "action" or a "solo" that they have lived with all their lives!

Again, your ignorance of the operatic musical form discounts the vocal solos that are a mainstay of operas from Mozart to Verde. Perhaps you should just shut up before you embarrass yourself further. 

Oh, and some people don't like opera. I have limited patience for it, although Mozart's can be fun. Some folks don't care for country music or jazz or pop. Some don't even like prog -- they just don't b*tch and moan about it over and over again on a music site devoted to a specific genre that has... *GASP*... guitar solos.  Do you go over to the jazz site and complain about Wes Montgomery? LOL


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I prefer the complete piece of music.

Another example. Folks talk about opera, mostly because of the "arias", but none of these were ever mentioned as not being a legitimate part of the complete piece, and one of the most emotional moments of the pieces. That was never designed as a "solo" per se, which is used by many classical musicians as highlights of their abilities ... the sad thing being that no one spends time listening to the rest of it ... well, I have to tell you that Wagner taxes my listening hard ... but I can handle the Italians.
That example is no good. All opera experts and professional performers have aria-favorites too. Obviously that doesn't mean they would think of those arias as not a legitimate part of the complete music. But an artist who lives and breathes for nothing but opera, could easily curate/create an album or a performance with nothing but arias from completely differnt operas. And genuine operalovers will have no qualms buying a ticket - or an album - and love it. Even if fifteen-twenty hours from the operas they love, are missing. Something like that would never be considered for keyboard solos, as everyone understands that a keyboard solo needs the rest of the compostiion to be fully appreciated. We actually understand this without you having to tell us.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


Hi,

The history of music is never irrelevant, unless you have no ear for it, which is the case for many of the rockers here and in this thread. Comparing a simplistic score sheet for a rock band with 4 or 5 rows, to a Symphony with 35 rows or more of music, is ridiculous, and considering something a "solo" in a rock song, only says that what Mozart and many others did was "hide" their solos so no one considered them "solos" but a piece of the music.

A song, is also a part of music history ... if you disdain the history of music, at least say so at the start ... it's almost like saying that rock music invented the solo ... no!!! the commerciality of the rock music in the past 50 years is what has made the "solo" more important, but that doesn't mean that music history will change because of it.

Your comment about opera is an indictment about how some folks here disdain classical music, because it has no "action" or a "solo" that they have lived with all their lives! I'm not stupid enough to think that times can not change, but I am not sure, honestly, that a comment like that is not well versed and knowledgeable about music in general. AND that's not to say that 500 years of history should mandate what rock music does at all ... but I think the attitude is more fan oriented than it is "music" oriented.
First of all, I don't "disdain" classical music. Second of all, I could be the biggest hater of classical music and/or opera, hell, I could have never even heard of classical music (if such a thing was possible), but that wouldn't have made my comments about prog rock any less valid/accurate. Rock has solos. It doesn't matter what other genres do or do not have them. It doesn't matter how solos in music originated. It doesn't matter if someone would rather cut off their ears than listen to a single second of classical music. We're discussing keyboard solos in rock music, where 1) they are unquestionably a thing and 2) you can prefer certain ones over others. All you need to appreciate and understand a solo in rock music (and indeed to list three favorites instead of going on some rant) is two ears.

You just mention classical music and opera and the vague idea of "history" to appear intellectual and superior to the rest of us. But a real intellectual would know when those topics add absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. Still inserting them regardless is like a 15-y/o's idea of intellectualism.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

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You just mention classical music and opera and the vague idea of "history" to appear intellectual and superior to the rest of us. But a real intellectual would know when those topics add absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. Still inserting them regardless is like a 15-y/o's idea of intellectualism.


Hi,

As if your comment was not about your own superiority, since no one else can disagree with you or the others!

And the discussion, on my part, was COMPARATIVE, not the kind of fan made comments.

I am not sure that "solo" was as "visible" as it has been made today as DE suggests. I do think, from my listening perspective, that in what we call/consider music history going back 500 years, perhaps the scoring that has survived had a tendency to "hide" solos, which nowadays, rock music does not hide at all. So, yeah, and we know (via RW ... hahaha!!!) that Vivaldi liked showing off and it is likely and possible that he disguised what we would consider a solo in his music, but if Rick's comments and study/special on Vivaldi, it seems that he did more than just what we know and seems to have survived, and was more of a solo'ist (for lack of a better term) when he wanted to show off.

But, in essence, music history has (in college) hidden some things, and solos is one of them. Opera "arias" were never intended as "solos" although it would be impossible to tell if Puccini and Verdi created a bunch of them because they had such tremendous singers around them ... one listen to Tebaldi and Nilson in Turandot makes one wonder if a composer would not want to do something for them individually ... or another example was Maria Callas doing Carmen. When I was listening to these things at 10 years old, I liked them, but never EVER thought of them as solos, and the story was complete ... without a hitch.

I have no issues with some "solos" in rock music, and there are many good ones, but the reverse is also true when a "solo" is there, and it is mechanical and boring.

I, personally, as I mentioned above, do not like to consider Keith a solo'ist at all ... his composition skills were immense and even hearing DD discuss them only shows a class in composition that very few folks are capable of being at. I like the "sound" that RW creates, but find his "riffs" somewhat the same in a different keyboard, which to me is ... not quite a good rating of a keyboard talent. I enjoyed many other keyboard players (and still do) whose work will forever be ignored here ... someone like Ryuichi Sakamoto comes to mind, and his talent has included an incredible number of sound tracks, and various solo albums where some stuff is experimental, and tremendous fun to listen to (Beauty/Heartbeat/NeoGeo) ... and like Richard Wright for PF, I also like the sound tapestries that Falk U. Rogner created for Amon Duul 2 i their early days ... up to and including "Wolf City" those keyboard sounds were magnificent.


Edited by moshkito - April 03 2023 at 07:53
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Slaughtergarden Suite by Sigh must feature my favourive one.

The Cinema Show, Celestial Elixir and Battalion (Birds and Buildings) also some to mind, as well as of course Eat It Up Worms Hero, setting the world record for the number wrong notes played in a couple of seconds.

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