Roger Waters

David_D wrote: I do support the Palestinians in the conflict, not the extremists though, neither a boycot of a whole country, and yet,  I don't consider myself to be antisemitic, and I have even some family living in Israel.

I'm simply pointing out that my statement is easily backed up by just googling how (e.g.) American jews feel about this. You'll find plenty of evidence that there are indeed plenty of jewish people in the west that e.g. support Palestine or at least have a less black-and-white view on this situation. Again, people have been polled on this and there's support for both sides. Jewish celebrities have also been outspoken (for either side). But I'm sure you already know this to be true, else you would actually come up with a response instead of just sarcastically dismissing my reply.

Still nothing that refutes the fact that there are many western jews who are pro-palestine. I don't know why that's so hard for you to accept.

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Edited by Logan - March 21 2023 at 20:41

David_D wrote: I do support the Palestinians in the conflict, not the extremists though, neither a boycot of a whole country, and yet,  I don't consider myself to be antisemitic, and I have even some family living in Israel.

Edited by David_D - March 22 2023 at 04:00

I think Roger Waters is a pathetic hypocritical wiener and his boycot is well-deserved. I also don't wish to voice much of an opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict here as it'll just get me into hot water and I'd never claim to be better informed on the matter than the people here who have actually visited the region, but I do feel obliged to point out that in a general sense, I think it's very unfair to frame a boycot of a certain country as automatically being a condemnation of every citizen of that country, let alone of an ethnicity. I don't think a boycot of Israel is in and of itself any more antisemitic than the widespread boycots of Russia in the wake of the Ukraine invasion are Russophobic or a boycot of the PRC over the actions of that country's government in Hong Kong or East Turkestan is Sinophobic; it's simply a matter of acknowledging that engaging in business activities with or within the borders of the country in question will contribute to tax money ending up in the hands of a government that in your eyes does deplorable things.

Edited by David_D - March 22 2023 at 14:49

David_D wrote: <span style="white-space:pre">     </span>Btw, Mirakaze, what do you mean by "wiener"? I've googled it, but I've only found something about sausages and .... <span style="white-space:pre">     </span>a bit naughty word.

A reference to "Several Species of Small Furry Wieners Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict", " "Careful with That Wiener, Eugene", "Shine On You Crazy Wiener, "One of These Wieners", "Waiting for the Wieners", and maybe "Have a Cigar" since as Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar [and not a wiener}". The only possible Jewish ritualistic reference I can find is possibly "The Final Wiener Cut" (aka the "brit milah" song).

If it is more tangentially do with that wiener fixation which Freud would find fascinating, then I think it refers to a dork. It does refer to a certain naughty bit (like the Monty Python Song, "Isn't it awfully nice to have a *****", but it's a childish name for someone who is awkward, wimpy and loserish based on the anatomy.. I'd rather be called a wiener than a dick (I'd rather be a wiener than dick could be a Simon and Garfunkl song)..

I had a terrible and ,most embarrassing encounter with Waters once where I prepared to water a fountain beside his table thinking it was the washroom. His group and mine were the only ones in the Warsaw hotel atrium. I caught myself in time, but he gave me a withering look of the utter contempt. Valium, beer, and lack of sleep don't mix.

As for his political views, I care much more about his music. These are very complex issues. I do know Jews who are anti-Zionist. And many are against the Israeli government People on both sides are doing wrong.

Edited by Logan - March 22 2023 at 16:04