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I actively listen to over 40 classical composers, from Bach to Stravinsky, but my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I personally enjoy the works of Liszt and Chopin. I'm not a huge classical music geek, so there's probably a lot of exceptional composers whose works I haven't heard.

Philip Glass is the only classical composer who's ever been on my Chopin Liszt. Tongue

To be honest, LOL

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 My favorite three are Igor Stravinsky, Gustav Mahler, and Mozart. 
Rounding out my top fifteen-   

Dmitri Shostakovich
Antonio Vivaldi
Bela Bartok
Johann Sebastian Bach
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Richard Wagner
Franz Liszt
Giuseppe Verdi
Sergei Rachmaninoff
Franz Schubert
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johannes Brahms







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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 My favorite three are Igor Stravinsky, Gustav Mahler, and Mozart. 
Rounding out my top fifteen-   

Dmitri Shostakovich
Antonio Vivaldi
Bela Bartok
Johann Sebastian Bach
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Richard Wagner
Franz Liszt
Giuseppe Verdi
Sergei Rachmaninoff
Franz Schubert
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johannes Brahms

I have some good thoughts about most of these composers, and I can wonder what I would think of their music today. Smile

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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I actively listen to over 40 classical composers, from Bach to Stravinsky, but my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.
Bruckner and Mahler are my favourites too. Especially Sym 9s by both. Wink
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

To me Schostacovich, Penderecki, Bartok, Messiaen, Vasks etc... belongs to the same ongoing tradition. But I do think some 20th century composers mainly as Modern Classical while others mainly as Avantgarde. But our language isn't perfect and very few composers belong excusively in one category anyway. Besides the original classical era is lasts from 500 to 336 BC. Classical music means more than just the classical period in music. I'm really just trusting that most people understand what I mean - given the context.

That's fair enough and I didn't mean to criticise it. I am however curious where you put the line between "modern classical" and "avantgarde".
The simple answer is: I don't. Most composers can represent both. Pendereckis early "cutting edge" works are very different to his later, more traditionally based works. Still there's traditional influences to be found in his early compositions and the Modernist approach isn't totally abandoned in later works. But in general I think of 20th Century Modernism as a somewhat radical break with previous traditions. For simplification and cataloging artists I suppose I use a scale of sorts where Part, Silvestrov and Vasks are filed under Modern Classical - while in various ways Nono, Stockhausen and Scelsi etc... mainly represent the Avantgarde. With others, like those mentioned in my previous post it's a little more complicated. But it's not really important - or a problem. It's just natural. No matter how "new and unique" all artists are a mixture of influences, and the b*****d child of someone or something. It's really not that different than how we look at Miles Davis or King Crimson.
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I love Western Classical Music and I have many favourites in this field.

I guess Francesco Geminiani has not been mentioned yet. His works are pure delight for the ears.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.

throw in a few Strauss tone poems and I'm right there with you... Cool
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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I actively listen to over 40 classical composers, from Bach to Stravinsky, but my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.
Bruckner and Mahler are my favourites too. Especially Sym 9s by both. Wink
Thanks. Ah, the 9ths; I love those so much, especially the recordings of them by Bruno Walter and Otto Klemperer.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.

throw in a few Strauss tone poems and I'm right there with you... Cool
Thanks so much for mentioning him. I revere Strauss's tone poems, especially Ein Heldenleben and the Domestic Symphony, as well.
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The Hours I've spent listening to the marvellous music of Philip Glass more than equals all of the other classical composers put together. 


                  A Window on the World of Philip Glass (selected works, excluding concertos, operas, soundtracks & symphonies)

3 stars 1986: Songs from Liquid Days - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EK1-t-sIpc
4 stars 1989: 1000 Airplanes on the Roof - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIk3z5BCRk
5 stars 1990: Passages (with Ravi Shankar) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODkIhKL2fY
3 stars 1992: Music from the Screens (with Foday Musa Suso) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZiPdo41b-2DvPAVRqHK9EQS8tk27g6iO
4 stars 1995: The Kronos Quartet Performs Philip Glass - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr_xhO02Ikw
4 stars 2005: Orion (no playlist available)

                  Philip Glass' Soundtracks

5 stars 1998: The Truman Show (with Burkhard Gallwitz) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ_DwnwLPFEHfihy3uBWKeP75YrTnApzp
4 stars 2004: Secret Window (with Geoff Zanelli) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1A2FF7997B4FE860
5 stars 2007: Les Animeux Amouraux - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYDP1cn10U
5 stars 2015: The Fantastic Four (with Marco Beltrami) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRW80bBvVD3Ws_zMW0dGgvtlptJ1SQjBy
5 stars 2020: Tales from the Loop (with Paul Leonard Morgan) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5HqW8tCAh-93OuHad2xS6bogpAootXz0

                  Philip Glass' Symphonies

4 stars 1992: Symphony No. 1: The Low Symphony (David Bowie & Brian Eno) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nByePxsnt87h23CAwPoKuDzj1Gp6X0n-o
4 stars 1995: Symphony No. 3: 1st Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcF74lK9NE
                                                   2nd Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvW2Vnnxr00
                                                   3rd Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsBCF_u-nU
                                                   4th Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffS3ESKCk8
5 stars 1996: Symphony No. 4: Heroes Symphony (David Bowie & Brian Eno - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mEPzPS0i-k2UYmxv8MMOfMUrvxu1Lhoqw
3 stars 1999: Symphony No. 5: Requiem, Bardo, Nirmanakaya - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAtMrTLhAXyLCy93M92EVplIntns2ssW0
                 2002: Symphony No. 6: Plutonian Ode - (playlist currently unavailable) 
4 stars 2005: Symphony No. 7: Toltec - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpPd61T9GYY
                 2005: Symphony No. 8 - (playlist currently unavailable)
                 2011: Symphony No. 9 - (playlist currently unavailable)
                 2019: Symphony No. 12: Lodger Symphony (David Bowie & Brian Eno) - (playlist currently unavailable)


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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I actively listen to over 40 classical composers, from Bach to Stravinsky, but my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.
Bruckner and Mahler are my favourites too. Especially Sym 9s by both. Wink
Thanks. Ah, the 9ths; I love those so much, especially the recordings of them by Bruno Walter and Otto Klemperer.
Me TOO! Walter's Mahler collection should be awesome. Big smile
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.

throw in a few Strauss tone poems and I'm right there with you... Cool
Thanks so much for mentioning him. I revere Strauss's tone poems, especially Ein Heldenleben and the Domestic Symphony, as well.

Many good ones, although my favourite is Eine Alpensinfonie, especially the climax with the clash of symbols, where the mist separates and their majesty is in full view.... makes the hairs stand up on the back on my neck!

I also love the classic Karajan (he was in his element with the Late Romantics) recording of Tod und Verklarung, Metamorphosen and Vier letzte lieder with Gundula Janowitz... art at it's very best!
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I LOVE Ralph V-W: would've put him on my list by was aiming to cover composers that weren't on Rollon's original list.


Great to hear Drew. You don't find too many Brits who rate him as highly as his music is quintessentially English.
I suppose I still don't get it, but I'm not English.

(he wasn't on my original list, btw)


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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I actively listen to over 40 classical composers, from Bach to Stravinsky, but my all time favourite composers are Anton Bruckner and Gustav Mahler. Their symphonies are for me the pinnacle of all music.
Bruckner and Mahler are my favourites too. Especially Sym 9s by both. Wink

Both are masterpieces of course, but they couldn't be more different. Both were written by composers contemplating their mortality with Bruckner, a deeply religious man going for the triumphant blaze of brass as he approaches the gates of the next realm, whereas Mahler, ever more doubtful about what the future holds, creates this deep, brooding, multi-layered masterpiece of textures...
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I LOVE Ralph V-W: would've put him on my list by was aiming to cover composers that weren't on Rollon's original list.


Great to hear Drew. You don't find too many Brits who rate him as highly as his music is quintessentially English.
I suppose I still don't get it, but I'm not English.

(he wasn't on my original list, btw)

Maybe I do get it. I guess as I don't live in a former colonial empire myself, "Englishness" isn't something negative or problematic. It has it's appeal, just like any other flavor or color. Sibelius, Grieg, Dvořák and many more drew inspiration from their own folklore*... even Bartok did. Coming from younger, less powerful nations in search of an identity, it probably makes the sensitive listener less uncomfortable. But I won't blame the artist for the zeitgeist of the era in which they operated. If I did, that would imply that I think I'm better than them just because I happen to live a 100-200 years later. Anyway, I'm just rambling.

*+ of course Wagner and practically all of the Russians...
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Maybe I do get it. I guess as I don't live in a former colonial empire myself, "Englishness" isn't something negative or problematic. It has it's appeal, just like any other flavor or color. Sibelius, Grieg, Dvořák and many more drew inspiration from their own folklore*... even Bartok did. Coming from younger, less powerful nations in search of an identity, it probably makes the sensitive listener less uncomfortable. But I won't blame the artist for the zeitgeist of the era in which they operated. If I did, that would imply that I think I'm better than them just because I happen to live a 100-200 years later. Anyway, I'm just rambling.

*+ of course Wagner and practically all of the Russians...

Yes, you've essentially hit the nail here, so to speak. Although throughout the 19th century, the English had a terrible superiority complex, contributing much toward many aspects of artistic expression, we were mocked by the Prussians/ Germans as being the 'Land without Music' and the certainly had a point.

Our principal composer from the mid-late 19th C was Hubert Parry, respected in his time, but whose output was that of a poor man's Brahms and has mostly been forgotten now. Arguably our greatest composer, the one whose compositions earned international respect yet introduced a certain 'Englishness' to our musical canon was of course Edward Elgar, whose symphonies and choral works stand up with the best from the period.

It wasn't until the 1890's however, that two young men realised that the various folk tunes which had been passed down from generation to generation amongst agricultural workers, fishermen and within rural communities were gradually being lost as the populations increasingly became literate and moved to the towns for work. They set about travelling the countryside with wax cylinders in an attempt to write down and record the songs which were sung, before incorporating them in their own works, so that they could be preserved for posterity. They were RVW and Gustav Holst, whose works are quintessentially parts of the English canon; RVW's symphonies in particular chronicle our world from the Edwardian era through to the greyness of the early 1950's... to the English, they are priceless and influenced Arnold Bax, Howells & Gurney, to name a few.
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^That's all very interesting. You "always" had Henry Purcell though (+ also Dowland and Byrd). Who is among my favorite baroque composers. I don't know, maybe he (or they) were largely forgotten or not considered as great - or relevant.

-All this make me want to revisit Vaughan Williams. I'm only familiar with a couple of his most known works (The Lark Ascending, Symphony no. 5 and a few more). It didn't leave the strongest impression on me in my early 20's, but I've changed since then. Reading up on him now he certainly sound like my cup of tea. And any collector of folkmusic/songs is a "friend of mine".
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I split the ones who've stuck with me (there's plenty more composers I know and love a couple of works by) into a first, second, and third group of "favorites". I'd like to know what composers you like and enjoy the most as well. Maybe we'll some kind of discussion going. Or we may share a few reccomendations.

10 (my "desert island" batch of composers:) 

Dmitri Shostakovich
Antonio Vivaldi
Johann Sebastian Bach
Franz Schubert
Arvo Pärt
Krzysztof Penderecki
Ludwig van Beethoven
Alessandro Scarlatti
Johannes Brahms
Gustav Mahler

+10

Luigi Boccherini
Pēteris Vasks
Kaija Saariaho
Valentin Silvestrov
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Bela Bartok
Maurice Ravel   
François Couperin
George Friedrich Handel
Claude Debussy

+10

Henry Purcell
Jan Dismas Zelenka
Giacinto Scelsi
Leoš Janáček
Morton Feldman
Sergej Prokofjev
Erik Satie
Arnold Schoenberg
Arcangelo Corelli
Giovanni Battista Pergolesi

-I've left out my favorite soundtack/library composers who might as well had qualified.

FIRSTS 10:

PODIUM:
1) Mozart
2) Bach
3) Beethoven

These three are unreachable.

Then, from lyric opera:

4) Wagner
5) Verdi

Even these two are unreachable (in their specific field)

Then, the ranking is more subjective.

In my case:

6) Berlioz
7) Mahler
8) Stravinskij
9) Schoenberg
10) Vivaldi


+ 10:

1) Debussy
2) Cage
3) Bartok
4) Haydn
5) Brahms
6) Haendel
7) Chopin
8) Schubert
9) Ravel
10) Puccini

+ 10:

1) Chaikosvskij
2) Webern 
3) Schumann
4) Shostakovich
5) Liszt
6) Gluck
7) Musorgskij
8) Berg
9) Strauss
10) Rossini.



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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^That's all very interesting. You "always" had Henry Purcell though (+ also Dowland and Byrd). Who is among my favorite baroque composers. I don't know, maybe he (or they) were largely forgotten or not considered as great - or relevant.

-All this make me want to revisit Vaughan Williams. I'm only familiar with a couple of his most known works (The Lark Ascending, Symphony no. 5 and a few more). It didn't leave the strongest impression on me in my early 20's, but I've changed since then. Reading up on him now he certainly sound like my cup of tea. And any collector of folkmusic/songs is a "friend of mine".

Thanks for replying. I didn't mean to disregard Henry Purcell, but he died in the 1690's in his mid thirties; indeed there was a 20 year gap before Handel arrived with George I. Purcell's choral and vocal music in particular, be it sacred or secular, was indeed beautiful and highly regarded throughout Europe, however he was the last of a line, before a 150 year near silence descended (Thomas Arne excepting, I suppose).

You are right about Dunstable, Dowland, Taverner, Sheppard, Tallis & Byrd of course; before and during the reformation, our music was as prominent as anyone's (excepting the Italian states of course).

With RVW, much of the folk music are prominent in his songs, besides some of his shorter orchestral compositions. If anyone is new to RVW, I'd suggest starting with some of his more immediate stuff, such as Fantasia on Greensleeves, Lark Ascending, Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis, Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus & Flos Campi.

For folk orientation, I'd suggest Norfolk Rhapsody, In The Fen Country, On Wenlock Edge song cycle and his chamber cycle, Six studies in English folk song.

For his symphonies, you were probably right to start with No.5, which is most peoples way in... maybe then try his No.2 'London'.  If you are interested in specific recordings, I'm happy to make some solid suggestions.
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