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Fun Threesomes, Foursomes and Moresomes! This is a small listing of just a few directors that had more than one film worth watching for me. As much as I do not have "favorites" that dominate my tastes, there are times when a director, or two, stand out like the majority do not, specially these days, when "art" is not wanted ... and seemingly a lot of folks believe it! Peter Weir The Last Wave Dead Poets Society Picnic at Hanging Rock Gallipoli Year of Living Dangerously Giuseppe Tornatore Cinema Paradiso Everybody's Fine The Star Maker Bernardo Bertolucci Stealing Beauty The Last Emperor Little Buddha The Conformist The Sheltering Sky Last Tango in Paris Luis Bunuel The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie The Exterminating Angel Viridiana The Phantom of Liberty Nazarin/Simon of the Desert Federico Fellini Spirits of the Dead (One story of the three) 8 1/2 The Clowns Orchestra Rehearsal Fellini's Roma Intervista Francois Truffaut The Story of Adele H Jules and Jim Fahrenheit 451 Jean-Luc Godard Alphaville For Ever Mozart Godard's King Lear Contempt Pedro Almodovar Kika Talk to Her High Heels Terry Gilliam The Adventures of Baron Munchausen The Fisher King Brazil The Man Who Killed Don Quixote Peter Greenaway The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and her Lover Prospero's Books The Pillow Book Nicolas Roeg Performance (w/ Don Cammell) Castaway Walkabout Don't Look Now Bad Timing, A Sensual Obsession The Man Who Fell To Earth Werner Herzog Aguirre, The Wrath of God Where the Green Ants Dream Nosferatu Kasper Hauser Zhang Yimou Red Shorghum Raise the Red Lantern To Live Shanghai Triad Ken Russell The Devils The Music Lovers Women in Love Savage Messiah Mahler Peter Brook Lord of the Flies Marat/Sade King Lear The Mahabharata Meetings with Remarkable Men David Lean Great Expectations The Bridge Over River Kwai Lawrence of Arabia Doctor Zhivago A Passage to India Juzo Itami Tampopo A Taxing Woman A Taxing Woman's Return Supermarket Woman Chen Kaige Yellow Earth Farewell My Concubine Temptress Moon The Emperor and the Assassin Wong Kar-wai Chungking Express 2046 In The Mood for Love Akira Kurosawa Rashomon Ikiru Seven Samurai Throne of Blood Dersu Uzala Kagemusha Ran Rhapsody in August And lastly ... a cinematographer that helped define a lot of the Chinese films, Directors and some stylistic designs. Christopher Doyle Chungking Express Temptress Moon In the Mood for Love Hero 2046 The White Countess Endless Poetry |
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Some comments on these directors, as the post was longer than I thought. Peter Weir - helped put Australian film on the map with his works. Really fun early stuff that is nutz. The Plumber and then The Cars That Ate Paris. Giuseppe Tornatore - Not always mentioned in the lists of great films, but his stuff is really neat, loving and has a touch that is very ... unlike a lot of cinema. It seems like in his films the appreciation for the far out and the "dream" is more important than the reality! Bernardo Bertolucci - Has some really neat stuff, and a lot of it might be due to Cinematographer Vittorio Storaro, who always made things look neat. And he was able to "color" things when BB wanted a color for this or that ... in which case you saw it for awhile. Interesting, and even personally touching style, allowing you to feel the character better than most films, and this might be a BB touch. Luis Bunuel - one of the great surrealists with Salvador Dali, he was the only one to actually get into film, and continue the tradition of "surrealism" that seemed to have died out after the idea. In the hands of Luis Bunuel, it ended up bringing up so much cynicism about the times and places, that was ridiculous and insane. And then you get to see a film go through the inside of various folks' minds, and you wonder ... hmmm ... oh well, will just take a walk to nowhere to see where it leads us? Federico Fellini - the "bad boy" in Italian Cinema, but he got his films making money in many other countries when the church would decide they didn't like a film by Federico. In the end, he is better remembered than the rest of Italian Cinema, when many folks might not even even name one, let alone 2 directors. Francois Truffaut - A tough choice for me, as he is not a favorite but he had a touch for the improvised materials that he used that worked really well, even though it also looked rehearsed ... I think his earlier material was more interesting. Jean-Luc Godard - One of the most polarizing of directors ever. He did not care about the "history" of cinema, and HOW things were defined and designed, and spent his life turning those conventions inside out and upside down to absolutely amazing results. Not only were actors just meandering and improvising, the director himself had a habit of improvising right over the visuals, and sometimes even say ... I didn't like that shot ... and it goes backwards and it is done in a different manner! You and I will often wonder ... hmmmm!!! Pedro Almodovar - I think he tried to copy Luis Bunuel, but a different time and place made it difficult and then he discovered that he could have the women in his films have all the fun, and everyone would notice. Well, let's say that sometimes it is weird, sometimes it is crazy, sometimes bizarre and sometimes it takes us to places we didn't expect. His later material seems to be less interesting for my tastes and I think that he is thinking too much ... I thought the earlier material had more freedom, to help create the moments it did. Terry Gilliam - While, never considered a great director, his imaginary ideas and films are a sight to behold. His world is way out there, and if anything, it becomes "seen" in "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote" ... and guess what ... he is Don Quixote ... the man with a thousand dreams that never end ... and he makes films of them! Peter Greenaway - One of the tough one to watch, and appreciate in film, and when you see his choreography in a lot of his material, you wonder what's in his mind. Prospero's Books is a sort of writer in the 22nd or 23rd century, when the imagery will be alive for us all ... not just words or pictures! (... so to speak!) ... and then you see The Pillow Book and yo come out wondering what that PIP was all about ... and I think it is the characters inner side, although that is never really explained or clearly shown/seen. And his best film? ... well, it's best you see it for yourself. Nicolas Roeg - Starting as a cinematographer, he ended up directing and spent time with Theresa Russell whom he married and made several films with. His style is visual to the max and sometimes seems exaggerated, but it makes a special point that is hard to discuss ... there is a side that is brutal, then there is a side that is fleeting, then there is a side that is ... what? and you can't define many things. Werner Herzog - Sometimes I don't know what to say about him, but watching so much of his early films and almost the improvised style, makes one wonder how a film can ever come alive, but it does. Even when it is scripted (Nosferatu) you get the feeling that the words were an idea, not the reality and something else came out. Zhang Yimou - Given some credit for helping the Chinese Film Industry come alive in the 1990's he has a listing of films that are really good, and special. Raise the Red Lantern appears to be the film that got him noticed quickly. Ken Russell - Always thought as the master of the abuse and outrageousness or excesses in film, he was much more attuned to the various things around artists ... and a lot of his life was strictly about that. But he always made sure that each and every film had its own special touch, even if it did not "fit" the whole thing, and sometimes it is maddening, and frustrating, but always entertaining. At least, many times yo come out with a giggle, and I guess that's good! But you don't need to giggle for MAHLER, or SAVAGE MESSIAH ... and it shows his appreciation for the art itself! Peter Brook - A director better known for helping actors do things even better, his films illustrated a lot of his improvisational style of working, and how some things were developed. A style that is very intricate and "careful" with the dialogue, well learned and taught in his days at the RSC helping actors get stronger on stage to get audiences even more amazed. David Lean - Often thought of as the master of the visuals in film ... be it close, or a long shot ... make that VERY LONG shot, that today's audiences might have an issue with since that is almost 3 minutes ...WITH NO ACTION! NONE ... NADA ... but the beauty that it helps the film with will forever be in your imagination. And it's hard for you to not "replay" many of those moments. It's just like a song you hum along with. Akira Kurosawa - The bad boy in Japanese cinema and he ended up not having the most money (the studios stole all that), but he is way more remembered and appreciated than all those producers and folks that denied him a film. And his material was special, although one could say also "personal" since he changed tunes every now and then. He is also a very "visual" director where the scenery is as important to the film, as it is to the actor and actresses.
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Thanks for this... nice! I'm curious what you think of Lars von Trier? I'd nominate Europa, Riget (not sure whether this was ever in the cinemas, I watched it as a TV series but it's actually his best in my view), Dancer in the Dark, Melancholia. There are more good ones.
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Martin Scorsese
1973: Mean Streets 1974: Alice Doesn't Live Here Any More 1975: Taxi Driver 1977: New York, New York 1978: The Last Waltz - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVPGzOHIIgz_fCsVUREmvLgKceF3XzEoa 1980: Raging Bull 1982: The King of Comedy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6qWRvX3AwE 1985: After Hours 1986: The Color of Money 1988: The Last Temptation of Christ 1990: Goodfellas 1991: Cape Fear 1993: The Age of Innocence 1995: Casino - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHM-GJbvCQ4 1997: Kundun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Ns02qzLA8 1999: Bringing Out the Dead - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvUAzeXQlcc&t=24s 2002: Gangs of New York |
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Peter Weir:
Green Card (1990) The Truman Show (1998)
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Michael Winner - One of the great auteurs and restaurant critic!
1969: Hannibal Brooks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4BB_kXLDv4&pbjreload=102 1972: Chato's Land 1972: The Mechanic 1973: Scorpio 1973: The Stone Killer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYESGHbfaV0 1974: Death Wish
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Excellent list per my tastes, Pedro. Other than Tornatore, I could see all being on my list. You might remember this, but some years ago I did a ridiculously overstuffed directors poll (there is humour in excess) with many of my favourite directors including a list of some of my favourite films (tried to limit it to three). It's not very nicely formatted, think it would be aesthetically unpleasing to duplicate it here, and because I tried to limit the number of films I felt like it less appropriate but here is a link: A Drove of Directors: Various Film Directors CLICK
Since von Trier was mentioned earlier, he is one of my very favourites and I chose The Element of Crime, Europa, Melancholia for three, but Dancer in the Dark (which I saw in the cinema) and Riget are faves as easily. Dancer in the Dark is actually the one that I still think about the most, and not just because I like Bjork. |
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Nice list, Pedro, and interesting comments, although I'm not always on the same line. Will take some time this weekend to get into it...
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Ashgar Farhadi: About Elly A Separation The Past The Salesman Andrei Tarkovsky: Andrei Rublev Solaris Stalker Ulrich Seidl: Dog Days Import/Export Paradise: Love Paradise: Faith Paradise: Hope |
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Hi, It was an awesome listing and I remembered it, but couldn't find it, however, I wanted to see which ones came up quickly in my mind, films that I could imagine right away. From that list, and the only bad thing is that I didn't want to put everything in the list ... Woody Allen Robert Altman Michelangelo Antonioni Denys Arcand Ingmar Bergman Atom Egoyan Agnieszka Holland Alexandro Jodorowski Krzysztof Kieslowski George Miller Gaspar Noe Satyajit Ray Ridley Scott Andrei Tarkovsky Lars von Trier Luchino Visconti Wim Wenders I just saw Holland's "Copying Beethoven" and it was a very nice film. She is so good at making sure she has full characters and so many of them do so well. Gaspar Noe, I decided not to list, because ... because ... well, I didn't want to turn people off some of his stuff, which while insane, it is also very challenging. I missed Kieslowski altogether, and I have always thought "The Double Life of Veronique" one of the prettiest things I have ever seen! Alexandro Jodorowski is a favorite, though mostly because of my theater background, and how he does some things. Love his "staging" of anything. Lars von Trier I would love to have seen more, but I can not afford the extra cost on Amazon, and I can not find sites that might have some more of these films. In general, the last 10 years, with the Internet, it has been very tough for me to pick up more international films, and I'm not sure I enjoy too many of the "specials" and the "series" of stuff they do to counter real film.
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Hi, I've seen at least these films, but in terms of reviewing them, it is difficult for me as most of them are a "lesson" in Hollywood directing, that is taught at USC and UCLA and considered the status and ideal for American film. The sad side of that is that it takes away the folks that DO experiment and come up with far out, weird, strange, and very good stuff. I was never a Robert Altman fan, and then I saw his improvisations with everything including lighting and cameras, to throw actors off, and I ended up appreciating his stuff a lot more now, than I did way back when. "The Last Temptation of Christ" ... read the book, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" ... and while I liked this film, it is a subject matter that I do not enjoy as too much of it is based on horrible translations of news that was already at least 300 years old! However, in general, the leads in all Scorcese films are very well scripted and filmed. He does have a very good sense for camera, however, he can't get away from the old Hollywood thing ... like shot/crosshot kind of thing, that destroys "literature" altogether. For me, the point of view switch, often eats up the story big time. Martin Scorcese, is also listed as one of the Editors for the film WOODSTOCK, and guess which shot is the one that he probably worked on? That is something he did again and again in various films of his ...
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Hi, It probably will give you a better idea why rock music, for me, is not as important at times. There were some great things done all over the world, but we tend to only like 2 of those countries material (so to speak!!!), and that is something that bothers me some. My appreciation for so much different music, is almost the same as that for so much different film. There's too much beauty out there in this world for it all to be wasted, and for my tastes this commercial this and that is not allowing more folks to see/find more stuff they can enjoy and appreciate. However, when you are "conditioned" to think that this or that is the standard of "good", with "top ten" everything ... the ability to hear something different goes out the window some ... This was the saddest sight at the Portland International Film Festival that I ever saw ... all the American and English films were sold out, the majority of French and Italian were well represented, but the rest? When I saw "The Island on Bird Street", it had maybe 100 people for a totally far out and excellent film, that a mouse was the biggest thing. It had been advertised as a child's film, and that is one thing that film is NOT. Likewise, there was a film from Mozambique on a different year that had 30 people in the audience. Well, the Almodovar love affair here (he had at least one premiere here) was always well attended by the society of the long flute drink, and be seen dressed to the max! On the reviews for many of the films from PIFF, which their own folks would not support or even appreciate (I wrote many notes for many films for them!) I was always telling people to see the odd stuff ... BECAUSE ALL THE AMERICAN AND ENGLISH FILMS WILL BE ON VIDEO! (N ow DVD) The rest? Never seen again!
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... and I would add Jacques Tati, Richard Lester & Orson Welles. among newer directors, I admire Paolo Sorrentino, Gustavo Taretto, & Ryusuke Hamaguchi.
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You're talking my language now... you can add Fireworks Wednesday to that list too... then we can also add Jafar Panahi, Abbas Kiarostami, Samira Makhmalbaf and at least another 10 criminally underrated Iranian directors...
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Hi, Leave it to Guy to make sure we did not miss much ... all three of the suggestions are excellent, and yeah ... I totally missed Orson Welles ... beautiful work in general. Richard Lester was fun, even if Spike Milligan said that he was merely putting on screen what the GOONS had already done (a few of the early films I imagine!) ... and Jacques Tati ... a nice touch all around! The three new folks I have to check some more ... not sure I can even list much by them!
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This thread title is VERY misleading and not at all what I expected.
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As said, a nice list of directors who were responsible for major film works in film history... I would personally not mention Tornatore in such a list: although I really do enjoy the films you mention, they are, in my eyes, rather conventional (both formally and narratively). For Peter Weir I would, also, add The Truman Show - a film that I use a lot in my film classes... Regarding Bertolucci, I prefer some of his earlier work: Prima della rivoluzione, Last Tango in Paris, Il conformista, Novecento (1900). I'm much less convinced by his siruppy hollywoody endeavors like Little Buddha, The Sheltering Sky, The Last Emperor... despite, indeed, the exceptional cinematography by Storaro! Agree with you on Buñuel, I would just explicitly mention one of his earlier exceptional works, with Dali: L'âge d'or. With Fellini, another exceptional director of fim history, I prefer mostly his 50s and 60s films: of course the big ones, La Strada and La dolce vita, but also - and especially - I Vitelloni, Il bidone, Le notti di Cabiria, Giulietta degli spiriti (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the English distribution titles...). However, my preferred one might be Otto e mezzo. I'm not that much fan of Francois Truffaut, except some of his earlier films: Les 400 coups, Jules et Jim, Fahrenheit 451, La peau douce... After that he is going into very cliché man/woman storytelling; yes always with his personal twist, but still... Same gripe I have against Woody Allen. From Jean-Luc Godard - your comments are very to the point - I would add Pierrot le fou, A bout de souffle, and maybe Week-end as probably one of the best examples of his over the top aesthetics and narration (e.g. La Chinoise, Le petit soldat...). Although I do not always like the results of his experimentations, I admire he did it and tried. His Histoire(s) du cinéma is another exceptional and extra-ordinary - in the litteral sense of "out of the ordinary" work of reference. In the beginning I wasn't much fan Pedro Almodovar's films; they were too neurotic to me. I regocgnized their interest, but wasn't really into them. This changed especially with Todo sobre mi madre (Everything about my mother) and his subsequent films, including the hilarious Los amantes pasajeros Peter Greenaway is one of the maestros to me. Exceptional body of film works, where the visual aspects are as important as the story, and he doesn't hesitate to play with the spectator (e.g. Drowning By Numbers). I like most of his films and had the pleasure of organizing a retrospective of his work in his presence. Very pleasant man to spend time with and he was of an exceptional availabitity to our public. The Cook... is probably the film that I prefer the most: everytime I see it again it gains in strenght. An exceptionally original contemporary filmaker! Regarding Werner Herzog I'm actually not that fond of his most know works. I prefer his documentaries or some of his more experimental works. You mentioned Where the Green Ants Dream, I would add Fatamorgana and, as said, much of his docentary work. From the Japanese, yes of course, I like Kurosawa's work. There are too many to mention, but other than Ozu, I would especially mention the work of Kenji Mizoguchi, probably my preferred one of these three great directors. Other than those, I would mention Béla Tarr as another exceptionnal contemporary filmmaker. When someone asks me, learning that I'm working in the film world, what is my preferred film, and to cut short to every discussion because these are questions impossible to answer, I tend to mention Tarr's Sátántangó. To me it is indeed one of the best films ever, but hardly anybody has seen it (the 7:30h duration might be responsible for that, somehow...). If you're more in a hurry, check out his Werckmeister Harmonies or - and maybe especially - The Turin Horse... Closer to home, for me, I would mention Paul Verhoeven. Although his style does not please everyone (apart from his provocotive stances he is also often exaggerating stereotypes and clichés - so it is not of all "finesse"), once you adhere to it or accept it, his films are often a very accurate analysis of the dysfunctionality of our societies and the hypocrisy of our moral standards, especially when it comes to sexe, violence and/or religion... From Turkish Delight, via Spetters, Robocop, Starship Troopers up to Benedetta, there is a real constant in his work. Maybe obsessive, but very to the point, imho, if one can scratch the surface... During my film studies I discovered and was most impressed by the work of Antonioni (L'Aventura, La notte, L'eclisse, Cronaca di un amore...) and Wim Wenders (especially Im Lauf der Zeit/Kinsgs of the Road) and his other 70s work. He had a lesser period, but his later Don't Come Knocking, for example, is quite exceptional again. And then there are so many others in film history that making a list becomes impossible... Pedro, why make lists? Edited by suitkees - February 18 2023 at 07:25 |
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Hi, The Iranian list of directors is a scary list, specially with all the current politics going on, and I think that film ... A NOTORIOUS anti-establishment art ... is one thing that probably scares a lot of folks, expecting some guards and "inspectors" to make sure that ...................................... endless listing! I even remember at least one "Divorce, Iranian Style" which was amazing, and insane, and to think that those "in charge" allow such things to go on and continue ... is crazy ... I also read somewhere, a special maybe somewhere else, about the many "clerics" pretty much selling young girls out ... which hurts them later as they try to marry, although you and I would think that things might have proved a bit different now, but in the end, with a regime that appears to have more respect for its "law" than it does "its people" ... one wonders how long it will last. There is music, but other than the generic pop music, there are some interesting combinations, and they are not as well known to the "general" Iranian folks I know ... but they like the music. Music might have a better way out, since it can be done without "lyrics", thus your ideas can be effectively masked and you can still put it together with the music. But the other arts? ... scary thought!
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Hi, AND music, by Ryuichi Sakamoto, and in The Last Emperor with David Byrne, which won an OSCAR. The classical music in "The Last Buddha" is outstanding. And a couple of pieces from "The Sheltering Sky" are still requested on his live piano shows. "Last Tango in Paris" , is not something I specially liked. It had a bad feeling for me. "1900" is something that is very close to me, in terms of politics and bullcrap. We certainly faced enough of it in Portugal, and I think that my dad wanted to leave to escape that and become a "full time" writer and scholar, in order to be able to forget and ignore the politics. My mom's family had a hard time with it and lost a couple of members to it. The whole thing, after WW2, and then the fall of Salazar later, was worse than the film. I don't like films of that kind as much as I do not wish to have the memories of some things that just weren't right during my life.
Really hard and difficult to choose something of his, but the 2 early pieces are less "films" than they were "shorts" and is the reason why I tend to leave them behind. However, it does not diminish their impression and effect on the visual arts. But then, we forget that in Spain, the Civil War had many issues and Picasso put all the pieces into one painting ... I always hoped that we got the idea ... but obviously some places in this earth don't! ... And thank you for such a nice response and addition. At the very least, for anyone wanting to check some director's work, we have given them quite a taste.
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[Edit for space] I'm not at all sure why you corelated this film with that particular book. I have read the book by Nikos Kazantzakis from which "The Last Temptation..." was adapted and although Paul Schrader made some interesting choices in what to include in his screenplay, on the whole it is a very good adaption, and I count it amongst my favorite Scorcese directed movies. Perhaps you are getting "The Last Temptation..." confused with "The DaVinci Code" which some do believe purloined its ideas from "Holy Blood, Holy Grail".
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