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Posted: February 03 2023 at 02:44

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are you sure? Shocked

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Posted: February 03 2023 at 07:45

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The current Harvest bio is OK to use on the Blackbirch page as it is - all that really needs to be added is "HARVEST changed their name to BLACKBIRCH in April 2015, with the addition of Emanuele TOGNOLI on bass, thereby releasing Francesco PINI from the role to enable him to contribute guitar and keyboards to the band instead".

Upon reflection, perhaps a little bit more could be added.

The slightly modified biography to transfer across to the Blackbirch page could perhaps read as follows:

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Blackbirch biography

Formed as HARVEST, March 2011, Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy

BLACKBIRCH is an Italian progressive metal band formed by lead vocalist/guitarist/keyboardist Cesare Augusto GIORGINI as HARVEST in March 2011. Together with Roberto PALMIERI on lead guitar/backing vocals, drummer Marco GARBIN and his brother Fungo on bass, the band began to work on their first material.

Fungo GARBIN left the band in the summer of 2012, thus leaving HARVEST without a bass player. Francesco PINI took over the bass duties as the band released their first album, "Rain/The Cold Sunrise", on November 28th 2012. The debut album features a very eclectic approach to progressive metal as the band encompasses many different styles, such as atmospheric rock, Jazz Rock/Fusion and Rock Progressivo Italiano.

A single called "Promise" and a second album called "Sparks" were released as HARVEST in 2014 before the name of the band was changed to BLACKBIRCH in April 2015, with the addition of Emanuele TOGNOLI on bass, thereby releasing Francesco PINI from the role to enable him to contribute guitar and keyboards to the band instead.

BLACKBIRCH released a further album called "Neapolis" in February 2019.

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The two albums without line ups on the Blackbirch page will now need updating after all:

Line-up / Musicians

- Cesare Augusto "Bottis" Giorgini / lead vocals, guitars, keyboards

- Roberto Palmieri / lead guitars, backing vocals

- Francesco "Trubbish" Pini / bass

- Marco "Alce" Garbin / drums

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63820.

Line-up / Musicians

- Cesare Augusto "Bottis" Giorgini / Vocals, Guitar, Keyboards

- Roberto Palmieri / Lead Guitar

- Francesco "Trubbish" Pini / Bass, Backing Vocals

- Marco "Alce" Garbin / Drums

Digital album Self-released (2014, Italy)

Recorded, mixed and mastered at Trubbish Studios.

Total time appears to be incorrect for the Sparks album on both its pages too, it should be:

1. Moonlight Spark (5:17)

2. Promise (4:42)

3. The Key (6:21)

4. A New Project (6:01)

5. Awake (8:32)

6. Blackbirch Land (7:53)

Total time 38:46

Note Trubbish Studios is NOT a record label as currently stated on the soon to be redundant Harvest page for the Sparks album - it is just Francesco Pini's own personal studio. Releases info on the Blackbirch page for the album doesn't have this error, but I'd remove the bit that says "(name your price)" after adding in that the album was recorded, mixed and mastered at Trubbish Studios.

Since the Harvest entry for the album will eventually be replaced with something else, then I guess the details of that one don't really need altering.

E&O Team: Thanks, all points done.

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Posted: February 04 2023 at 14:00

The debut album by Hot Fur is from 2005 and not 1998 (as listed). Maybe the confusion arises from the fact that they were formed in 1998. My sources for this correction are gnosis, RYM and discogs.

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Posted: February 04 2023 at 14:52

^ Hi Mike,

See Hot Fur's biography and album's releases information.

1998 self produced
2005 re-released through Musea Records

I believe our page is correct. Wink

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Posted: February 04 2023 at 15:53

Ok. Thanks for clarifying that and I gladly acquiesce to your judgement. ;)

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Posted: February 04 2023 at 18:12

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.........................

Upon reflection, perhaps a little bit more could be added.

The slightly modified biography to transfer across to the Blackbirch page could perhaps read as follows:

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Blackbirch biography

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Thanks, David, I PMd Cristi. If it will be necessary I'll post our suggestion (to change Blackbirch name to Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest) etc) in Prog Metal Team thread.

I think it makes sense to make albums' updates after PMT decision.

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Posted: February 04 2023 at 20:06

^ Yes, that makes good sense to me. Things aren't as they ought be at the moment with this band, so I'll be very surprised if they disagree with the suggestion.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 11:39

^ Cristi answered me that we can do steps 1-3.

I'll do it now and then show the results.

EDIT: Done.

HARVEST page can be re-used now.

Edited by NotAProghead - February 05 2023 at 13:43

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 14:08

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I suggested a band called Initial Mass for inclusion in Heavy prog last week: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130425. I'm pretty sure they will be accepted, and they have four albums, so would be ideal candidates to take up the spare page left behind by Harvest. BrufordFreak is the only collaborator to comment in the thread so far, but he said: "Big YES to Initial Mass for PA admission through the Heavy Prog portal", so I doubt that the others are likely to vote 'no'.

A word in the team leader's ear to ask him if he might consider reusing the redundant Harvest artist ID for the eventual addition of Initial Mass could bring about an early solution to this issue!

Yes, any Genre Team can re-use the redundant Harvest page, but formally "a word in the team leader's ear" might be interpreted as a kind of pressure. Smile

I prefer to post in PMT thread that they have a "free" page for any new addition.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 15:12

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^ Cristi answered me that we can do steps 1-3.

I'll do it now and then show the results.

EDIT: Done.

HARVEST page can be re-used now.

Good work!

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Yes, any Genre Team can re-use the redundant Harvest page, but formally "a word in the team leader's ear" might be interpreted as a kind of pressure. Smile

I prefer to post in PMT thread that they have a "free" page for any new addition.

Yes, that's a fair point. I'll make a note of the page ID and check it every now and again to see if it's been reassigned to another band or artist.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 15:46

On the subject of bands who have released albums using two distinctly different band names, is there an approved and accepted format for labelling their single page here on PA?

I think the format we just used - New Name (Ex-Old Name) - is the best way to do it, since the artist will appear in the database's alphabetical list under the correct letter for the current name, and it will also be immediately obvious what name they were known by beforehand.

However, other bands/artists have different naming formats on their PA page following a change - such as Kyros, who used to be known as Synaesthesia. They are in the database as Synaesthesia/Kyros, even though they only existed for a short time as Synaesthesia, and released just the one album under that band name.

Anyone who has recently discovered them and comes here looking for them not knowing their history is going to look under K, but he or she won't find them there since they are listed under 'S'.

We also have No Name/The No Name Experience. No problem with finding this band here, since both these names would be listed under 'N', but the the current name is the one after the forward slash and I feel that the current name should always come first. Also, if the previous name is no longer in use then I think it should really be preceded by 'Ex-'.

Is there an agreed format for this type of thing? Any thoughts on the matter if there isn't one?

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 16:45

Next one from the - Name / guitars, - Name / drums list:

https://www.discogs.com/master/323495-Circle-Rautatie.

- Julius Jääskeläinen / vocals

- Janne Westerlund / guitar

- Pekka Jääskeläinen / guitar

- Jussi Lehtisalo / bass

- Mika Rättö / keyboards

- Tomi Leppänen / drums

CD Ektro Records - EKTRO-065 (2010, Finland)

Vinyl LP, Clear Transparent Full Contact Records - KRYPT-009, Svart Records - SVR043 (2011, Finland)

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 17:19

https://www.discogs.com/release/190129-Coil-Moons-Milk-In-Four-Phases-Bonus-Disc.

- John (Jhonn) Balance / performer

- Peter Christopherson / performer

- William Breeze / performer

No idea what instruments they played lol!

It is highly likely that Thighpaulsandra (real name Timothy Lewis) featured as a performer on this album too. He is listed as a contributor on this discogs page for an unofficial release of the album, and on his own website he states that he contributed to the vast majority of Coil's releases from 1999's 'Astral Disaster' to 2010's DVD box set 'Colour Sound Oblivion'.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 17:25

^^ Thanks, David, both done.

Additionally, moved "Moon's Milk" to EPs.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 17:41

yam yam wrote:

On the subject of bands who have released albums using two distinctly different band names, is there an approved and accepted format for labelling their single page here on PA?

Anyone who has recently discovered them and comes here looking for them not knowing their history is going to look under K, but he or she won't find them there since they are listed under 'S'.

Is there an agreed format for this type of thing? Any thoughts on the matter if there isn't one?

Good point. Clap

As far as I can tell, no general rule.

I'll post this in Collab area. Highly likely they would agree with New Name (Ex-Old Name) format.

EDIT: I was ready to throw it in Collab area, but thought: what if the band released several albums, then changed the name, released an album and fell into obscurity? Can't give examples, but it's not an impossible situation. In this case Old Name (Now - New Name) format suits better.

Opinions?

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 19:17

^ My own feelings would still be that the last-used name should come first even if they only released one more album since the change. As long as the name that the band was previously known as is also included in brackets on their PA page, then a google search for that name and Progarchives should find them here. Searching for the terms Kyros and Progarchives finds their PA page easily enough even though they are named primarily here as Synaesthesia and listed under 'S'.

It's something which is definitely worth discussing down in the collaborators' den though. You could include your example of a band potentially releasing several albums before changing their name, releasing just one more, and then disappearing into obscurity to see if they thought that situation needed treating any differently.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 19:22

^ Here are 40 examples from our database. It is not a complete list. If you want something more serious, I can work on it.

Aspera / Above Symmetry # 5323

Astrolabio / Elettrosmog # 3639

Atomic Ape / Red Fiction # 8756

Bambir / The Bambir # 8858

Banaau / Hollowscene # 9828

Braveyoung / Giant # 12010

Crystal Lake / Logic Mess # 4877

Eat Ghosts / Minerva # 8779

Eclat / Eclat De Vers # 789

FEM Prog Band / Forza Elettromotrice # 7484

Flied Egg / Strawberry Path # 5487

Fote / The Truth Club # 7378

Gollum / Hadea # 6302

Hanuman / Lied Des Teufels # 3479

If / Ifsounds # 4190

Kiku Latte / Cichla Temensis # 11628

Korni Grupa / Kornelyans # 1291

Levi / Werstler # 6681

Magus / The Winter Tree # 225

Manna / Mirage # 9665

Masada String Trio / Bar Kokhba Sextet # 5160

Maury e i Pronomi / Aquael # 1775

Monument / Zior # 3292

No Name / The No Name Experience # 266

Nordream / No.r.Dream # 6253

Ossian / Osjan # 3128

PH (Mr. Peter Hayden) / ENPHIN # 12373

Popol Ace / Popol Vuh # 2355

Project / PPRY # 1991

Projected Twin / Earth Meet World # 8051

Seventh Evidence / Ka.Mmen # 6187

Shatter Projeckt / Shatter Project # 8093

Slaves to Fashion / P:O:B / Pedestrians of Blue # 5874

Synaesthesia / Kyros # 8702

TDW / Dreamwalkers Inc. # 4083

The Rebus / Il Fauno Di Marmo # 8904

Tom Aldrich / Zolder Ellipsis # 11269

Toshiyuki Miyama & His New Herd / Masahiko Satoh # 6091

tRANSELEMENt / EleMenT # 7540

Xhol Caravan / Xhol # 1564

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 20:44

^ Wow! There are loads of them, and doubtless loads more too...

I looked at the first two, and the first has the current name after the forward slash, and the second one before it, so it looks like there is no common format being used. None of them uses the format we just used for Blackbirch, where we give the current name followed by 'Ex-Old Name' in brackets, a format which tells you straight away which of the two is the current band name. None of the examples above give a clue which of the two names is the current one without actually visiting the page and reading the biography, so I think they are a highly unsatisfactory way of presenting the names that have been used by an artist on its main page on PA unless some consistency is adopted regarding the progression from the earlier name to the later one.

This subject is actually a can of worms - take Babal for example - they released albums as Wise Children and Babble before becoming Babal, yet we only have the latest name Babal included the page heading. We do at least mention the alternative band names that were used in the headings on the album pages themselves though.

The first band in the above list, Aspera/Above Symmetry, was also previously known as Illusion (formed in 2005) and released a couple of EPs using that name, one of which we have in the discography, but only a glance at the cover reveals the name that the band was actually using when it was released.

Then there is Lykathea Aflame, who were previously known as Appalling Spawn and released the demo record "Bestial, Mystical, & Spiritual (The First Spawn)" in 1996, and one full-length CD, "Freedom, Hope, & Fury (The Second Spawn)" in 1998 using that name. They are now known as Lykathé, but we only have Lykathea Aflame in our page heading.

And I could go on...

I guess this is something that only our collabs can resolve (if possible to do so at all at such a late stage as this in the site's development).

Discussion definitely needed, methinks.

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Posted: February 05 2023 at 21:07

Here is Julien's list from a couple of pages back giving the 50 major releases added to the site with just the classic 'sample' line up, repeated here for reference, with those updated so far struck out

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=54346~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=62125~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40524~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29584~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29585~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29586~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63822~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63820~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=34652~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=44045~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53362~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66975~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66904~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=56034~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29457~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36297~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29793~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32917~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=54317~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38363~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38373~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38365~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64272~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64273~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29277~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50511~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=30540~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38283~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43044~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=30917~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=38646~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=37819~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=31922~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29133~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32397~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32395~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32396~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43102~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=56836~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36992~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33736~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=62188~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=21180~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35352~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=57500~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=62234~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=56493~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36786~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42524~~

~~https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42589~~

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