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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Awesome David!!! B&W make excellent speakers, although my main issue with them is they have lower sensitivity ratings which only means you gotta feed them a lot of power. Maybe the older speakers are higher sensitivity....not sure.
Either way nice speakers!

My are not so sensitive either, but it goes very well with my tube amp. Tongue

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

[QUOTE=progbethyname] [QUOTE=Catcher10] So I made some changes to my setup, my gear has always sat on the top of this big screen projection TV that is no longer working. Pic below..

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Looking at the spot where the TV controls appear to be, I'm guessing it's a nice place to install a third octave EQ and maybe a cassette deck or other processing gear. Wink

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2023 at 16:30
^ Stop it!! LOL If I can find all my cassette storage cases, I probably have 300 cassettes and another 200 mix tapes....then I'll buy a cassette deck.
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[URL= ][/URL]https://www.psaudio.com/askpaulvideo/octave-records-dsd-vs-vinyl/


I found this interesting and I’d like to hear the vinyl community’s thoughts on this.

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^^I've got a spare one sitting on the shelf. Wink


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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

[URL= ][/URL]https://www.psaudio.com/askpaulvideo/octave-records-dsd-vs-vinyl/
I found this interesting and I’d like to hear the vinyl community’s thoughts on this.
I've mentioned this in other posts a long time ago but I stand by it. It lends perspective.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105762127


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I'll read those articles later. As far as Octave Records, yes Paul is recording everything in digital to DSD, he is one of the boutique studios doing this. I've not heard any of his LPs, I've read they sound excellent which they should assuming the mastering is done properly for vinyl. 
I've looked thru the Octave catalog and not much interests me so I've not bought any, remember its about the music first!
Octave records run about $50-$75 so he will face some competition from Kevin Gray at $39.99 for a 100% all analog recording using all valve recording gear, mics and mastering gear. A lot of extra processing in the digital world ADC then DAC, on SACD is probably excellent.....but to get to an analog media from digital different story, IMO.
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Not sure I posted before, here is Kevin Gray explaining his new recording studio.......Cohearent Records.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.

Yes, the final mastering is important for the sound quality but so is recording for sure. All my experience with both LPs and CDs tells me that the quality of the recording is very important, and theoretically, you can't have better sound than the one which have been recorded.
Well no surprises...if the original recording is not done well everything else that we hear will certainly sound like krapp. You cannot change the "original" recording....for example the story of King Crimson and In the Court recording, where they claim the tape recorder heads were either a bit out of alignment or just bad, so the original recording could have ben better, but we will never know.
Steven Wilson did do some corrections and it sounds light years better than my original US LP version. As well some stories on the recording of JTull Aqualung.
I don't base any SQ reactions using CDs on 60s, 70s and 80s recordings since we have no idea on the source for pressing those CDs. 

What I meant about CDs is that in general the AADs sound significantly better than the DDDs, even I seem to find some improvement with the newer DDD-CDs.

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Looking at the spot where the TV controls appear to be, I'm guessing it's a nice place to install a third octave EQ and maybe a cassette deck or other processing gear. Wink

EQs don't use to be very welcomed in high-end systems. Wink
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^Not true, the real purpose of an EQ isn't to make the system sound better, it's to allow for corrections in the listening environment that the system would experience if it was moved to another room or if the room itself changed through furniture or other renovation modifications such as changing room a carpeted room to wood floors.
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I used equalizers in the past, mainly because I was taping so much to cassette I would add a little here and there. Today, it's not needed as my gear is much better. I still have the last one I used. It is a 10 band EQ, model ADC Sound Shaper SS-100SL, works but not being used.

ADC SS-100SL 10-Band Stereo Frequency Equalizer &amp; Spectrum Analyzer - Sound  Shaper | Reverb
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And clearly, looking at the EQ profile,  you know what the f#@k you're doing.
Can't remember how many times I've seen guys with EQ's where almost all faders are pushed above 0dB.
At first pass it should be used to reduce the problem freq's, then sweeten conservatively.
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And clearly, looking at the EQ profile,  you know what the f#@k you're doing.
Can't remember how many times I've seen guys with EQ's where almost all faders are pushed above 0dB.
At first pass it should be used to reduce the problem freq's, then sweeten conservatively.
Well I should have said that is an online pic........Somewhere I have a pic of it in my system. But regardless yea I know what you mean. Most people used EQs to boost bass and highs, or what they call the "smiley curve". I was always right around 0 with a smidge here and there, but again that was due to me adjusting before I made a cassette copy. Some LPs that had thin bass or boosted highs I would adjust to my liking. So then no EQ was needed on playback.

I've never used a DSP program to measure my room, which is what is needed if you wanna find out where the null points are in your room. Problem is none of our rooms are perfect, we all have stuff in our rooms, furniture, rug, hardwood, uneven walls, picture frames, TVs, windows, door ways, hall ways....most of that cannot be corrected if the DSP measurement calls for it, hence the WAF comes into play...big time!!! LOL I accept my room acoustics as they are not much I can do. So hence no real need for DSP for me. Once I added a 2nd sub, I evened out some null points I had at about 60hz, the boominess I was hearing went away....All my low end is nice and smooth and even now, if I get bone jarring low end it's because its in the recording.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

[URL= ][/URL]https://www.psaudio.com/askpaulvideo/octave-records-dsd-vs-vinyl/


I found this interesting and I’d like to hear the vinyl community’s thoughts on this.

I have zero issue with records cut from DSD. This is what MoFi has admitted to doing for the past 10-12yrs but never told anyone. LOL Everyone still thought they were cutting from the original master tapes, which they advertised.
I respect what Paul is saying but there are video interviews of Bernie Grundman who will state otherwise, that cutting from the master tapes is the closest you will get to what the musician wanted you to hear. Remember that for DSD to vinyl there has to be conversion from digital to analog, any conversion has the chance of adding noise as well loosing data. You cannot do any mastering (EQing, compression, none of that) in the DSD domain, why?? DSD by definition is 1-bit, mathematically it does not work, you can't change 1 if only 1 exists. Paul talks about this in other videos, so that DSD file needs to be converted to PCM for any mastering to happen, then back to DSD or to a 24bit file or redbook.....A lot of conversions happening. I trust Bernie's ears light years more than Paul's, Bernie has been mastering and cutting records for 50years......Paul has 1yr of recording experience with Octave. Again, mad respect for Paul but for different reasons and products.
But again, I have no issues with records cut from digital files, problem is with the bad engineers you get tons of compression and sucks the life out. The engineers that know what they are doing the records sound great!
But given the choice, 100% analog for me is preferred....YMMV

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

And clearly, looking at the EQ profile,  you know what the f#@k you're doing.
Can't remember how many times I've seen guys with EQ's where almost all faders are pushed above 0dB.
At first pass it should be used to reduce the problem freq's, then sweeten conservatively.
Well I should have said that is an online pic........Somewhere I have a pic of it in my system. But regardless yea I know what you mean. Most people used EQs to boost bass and highs, or what they call the "smiley curve". I was always right around 0 with a smidge here and there, but again that was due to me adjusting before I made a cassette copy. Some LPs that had thin bass or boosted highs I would adjust to my liking. So then no EQ was needed on playback.
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Did you connect it through the pre-amp section of your amp (assuming you had that I/O) or were your amp and pre-amp modular?
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

And clearly, looking at the EQ profile,  you know what the f#@k you're doing.
Can't remember how many times I've seen guys with EQ's where almost all faders are pushed above 0dB.
At first pass it should be used to reduce the problem freq's, then sweeten conservatively.
Well I should have said that is an online pic........Somewhere I have a pic of it in my system. But regardless yea I know what you mean. Most people used EQs to boost bass and highs, or what they call the "smiley curve". I was always right around 0 with a smidge here and there, but again that was due to me adjusting before I made a cassette copy. Some LPs that had thin bass or boosted highs I would adjust to my liking. So then no EQ was needed on playback.
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Did you connect it through the pre-amp section of your amp (assuming you had that I/O) or were your amp and pre-amp modular?
I used the Rec Out or Preamp Out and Rec In. Used the Monitor button on the EQ to hear what I was changing as it hit the tape heads.
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Some nice systems posted here! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

[URL= ][/URL]https://www.psaudio.com/askpaulvideo/octave-records-dsd-vs-vinyl/
I found this interesting and I’d like to hear the vinyl community’s thoughts on this.
I've mentioned this in other posts a long time ago but I stand by it. It lends perspective.




Hello my fellow Canadian friend. Thank you for this link. I enjoyed the listen and read.
Certainly the sound enhancement is not necessarily the pinnacle of optimal sound quality.
Different measures on the recording and the effect of one’s perception of sound effects all this.

Anyhow. Keep spinning and enjoy the music.
   
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Some nice systems posted here! Thumbs Up

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