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Saperlipopette!
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Most of the ones I thought about suggesting have already been mentioned by others. I'm not all that familiar with The Fall, but John Peel's quote "they are always different, they are always the same” sums up a quality I find just as honorable as bands or artists completely reinventing themselves. There's nothing wrong in having a core, and I think most of the bands I admire the most finds inspiration for artistic growth in their own "motherlode". Plenty of bands' change of direction have reeked of desperation and losing the plot. Jethro Tull and Tangerine Dream sometime during the 1980's (yes, I think so), Gentle Giant at the end of the 1970's, Metallica in the 1990's... even Magma and Can at some point in their careers... the list is endless. But I have a few: The Residents core in the era they were musically interesting, ca. 1974-1984 was basically not having a core, but nevertheless they were always their own unrecognizable, recognizable themselves. I'd say Radiohead's artistic growth from entering the scene as an unexceptional (and frankly kind of boring) alt. rock band in the early 1990's up to the beginning of a new millenium is unmatched in modern mainstream music. And they never stopped experimenting. Tom Waits transition from this drunken crooner pianoman to some kind of experimental dark cabaret-rock happened for all the right reasons. But his old self was still intact and never really left. Joni Mitchell journey from canyon lady folkster to jazz fusion queen is spectacular. But soon after she sort of lost herself and fell behind instead of being at the forefront of things during the 1980's. I also love how Secret Chiefs 3 is at least five seperate projects within a band. A new album by them can come from Forms, Ishraqiyun, UR, Traditionalists or Holy Vehm - or as on Book of Horizon - all of them in the same album.
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David_D
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Yes CttE (1972) - Symphonic Prog 90125 (1983) - Progressive Pop Big Generator (1987) - Pop-Rock Union (1991) - Prog So Genesis and Yes had certainly "New Directions" in the '80s, and by the way, that is why I don't see them as good candidates for Prog Big Ones in the '80s - it can be added here, Genesis' Invisible Touch (1986) - Pop-Rock.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Cristi
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No, they're not. They were an influence on the neo-prog genre. Also neo-prog meant a new wave of bands appeared with that sound (similar to what NWOBHM was for metal music of the time), and it started in 1981-1982. Also "proto-neo-progressive" is not a music genre, let's not invent names to confuse even more. Edited by Cristi - February 03 2023 at 01:52 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I don't really understand your Genesis comment. As for your opinion about Yes, I disagree. 90125 is not more prog than BG. If anything you have it backwards. Big Generator has holy lamb, I'm Running, Final Eyes and Shoot High Aim low on it. 90125 has some proggy stuff but it's not more prog than BG. In fact I would say BG is the more proggy of the two but maybe both are a kind of progressive pop-rock but with BG leaning more towards their classic prog sound.
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David_D
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also ^
I'm no ekspert in Neo-Prog.
Edited by David_D - February 03 2023 at 02:40 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Lewian
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...and you find further very different ones if you go outside these periods.
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Gerinski
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Only mildly prog-related but Queen is another classic example, Queen I, A Night at the Opera, Flash Gordon and A Kind of Magic for example being very different.
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suitkees
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The longevity of bands is of course an aspect that for most of them will imply some change of direction. Most of those bands will have some "periods". This thread is somehow an interesting counterweight for this "Bands whose albums sound the same" one. But what I was mainly aiming at is that Yes changed direction with almost every album. Compare for exemple the 1970 to 1973 album runs of Yes and Genesis... Trespass to Selling England by the Pound are all evolving into the same direction (imo), whereas the Time and a Word to TFTO run is changing direction with every album (although this may be less the case between Fragile and CTTE). No need for genre labels to come to such a conclusion. Of course - and fortunately for those bands and for me (since I'm not much fan of "more of the same") - when you change decades, the change of direction can be huge: Nursery Crime/Abacab, CTTE/90125.... (And, to me, the step between 90125 and Big Generator is a small one - one of the few small steps Yes made, they were more often big steps - not really a change of direction) Most bands that do last some time, I guess, change direction every once in a while, but not from album to album; this often means running the risk of loosing your fans. This is a very interesting topic, actually.
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Grumpyprogfan
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Psychedelic Paul
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As far as I'm aware, the Live album below was the first ever Neo Prog album....
1981: Pallas - Arrive Alive - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKo8IssrgKXQT8bL5pLgU7e
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Cristi
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Yes, i know. But it says "some even suggest..." which means it's not a general opinion. Neo-prog was influenced by symphonic prog in general, as well as Pink Floyd, space-rock, VDGG, early 80s sounds etc.
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Grumpyprogfan
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^"Some asserting" and "others contend" also imply it's not a general opinion.
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Cristi
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True, but what Twelfth Night, IQ and Marillion (and a few others) were doing in 1982-1983 is the beginning of what is called neo-progressive rock.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yep! Having already listed Dead Can Dance, Jethro Tull, Mike Oldfield, Porcupine Tree, Rick Wakeman, Wishbone Ash & Neil Young, I only have one multi-genre artist left to mention:- Van Morrison - an artist I've always found impossible to pigeonhole, although, to be honest, Van the Man is getting a bit overweight these days to fit into any pigeonholes. Astral Weeks (1968) - Folk Rock Irish Heartbeat (with The Chieftains) (1988) - Celtic Rock Too Long in Exile (1993) - Soul Jazz Back on Top (1999) - Blues Pay the Devil (2006) - Country The Prophet Speaks (2018) - Jazz Three Chords & the Truth (2019) - Americana What's It Gonna Take (2022) - Contemporary R & B Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 03 2023 at 13:51 |
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richardh
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good call
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richardh
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probably one of the few mainstream bands that released 4 very different albums off the bat (and not just going in some new pop direction because they want more girls at their concerts )
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dr wu23
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Thanks for the kind remark. While I can certainly see the above mentioned bands adding different elements to their sound in those instances (and many bands do that regularly both in and out of prog rock) I don't see them 'jumping styles'. All of those are recognizable as being the same artist to me when I listen to those lps. I suppose in the end, as always, it's a matter of degree and subjectivity. |
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David_D
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interesting with these different views |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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octopus-4
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What about Battiato?
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