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^ Thanks, David, good idea!
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1682

the albums name is 

"Out of Abbfinoosty Comes the Storm"

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Hi for all.
I have the vinil "Alarme!", from the band "Kashmir", of Switzerland.
The corrections to be made are about the informations of the members.

Patrice Guenat is in fact who assumes synthesizers and vocals. You may as well, if it seems coherent, specify the instruments he performs. They're described below.

Alain Petitmermet takes the drums, percussions and tympanis in 7 of 8 tracks.

The others members participate less.

If you agree with the modifications, it'd go like this:

Line-up/musicians

- Patrice Guenat: Roland and Moog synthesizers, grand piano, Hammond B3 organ, Fender Rhodes, Crumar string ensemble, harpsichord, Hohner piano, Hohner clarinet, A.R.P. string ensemble, mellotron, tubular bells and percussion. Vocals.
- Alain Petitmermet: drums, percussions and tympanis.

With:

La Vigneronne Lonay Choir (tracks 3, 4 and 8).
Philippe Ryser: guitar (track 4) and bass (6).
- Henry Dubelly: vocal (track 2).
- Brass section.
Trumpet: Jean-Claude Blanc, Philippe Blanc, Andre Besançon, Mario Alberti. Slide-trombone: Rémy Alberti, Jean-François Bouard, Jean-Pierre Beltrami (track 4).
- Strings instruments.
Violin: Anne-Marie Grunder, Anne-Marie Schenkel, Marianne D’Andiran, Anne Liardet, Christiane Graf, Ernst Schelle, Jan Dobrzelewski, Robert Guillon. Viola: Marcel Deblüe, Rolf Schönenberger, Michael Murray-Robertson. Cello: Mineo Hayashi, Daniel Suter. Double Bass: Catherine Roy (track 8).

La Vigneronne Lonay Choir conducted by Ewald Meier.
Strings instruments conducted by Charles Baldinger.

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^ Thanks, done: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43053

By any chance, do you have new information on their other release? https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=43054
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Another one (and the last one for tonight, since this is another band whose members don't like to reveal who they really are lol!).


As well as no band line up, there is no total time. 
On bandcamp the track titles all begin with lower case letters, but the Progarchives AFT utility has capitalised them.

1. A Praise For Ghosts (6:02) 
2. Broken Flowers (9:55) 
3. The Living Receiver (4:01) 
4. Sermon (8:17) 
5. Bridgeburner (10:42) 

Total time 38:57

Only the first names of most of the band members have ever been revealed on line. However, Tim's full name appears to be Tim Kockentiedt. See: https://www.discogs.com/artist/1978396-Tim-Kockentiedt.

The final line up was:

- Marc / vocals
- Jürgen / guitars
- Felix / bass
- Tim / guitars
- Jürgen / drums

Only the 'Symmetry' album had this line up though. The earlier 'Heartwrencher' EP and 'At Zero' album had a different bassist named Jan (or Jan Blurr), and this need to be changed on both pages.

Line ups for each disc and full releases info can be found at https://www.discogs.com/artist/1086374-Arktika.

Note: The free download of the Symmetry album that is mentioned in the Releases information section is only available on the Narshardaa Records bandcamp page for the album (and it is a 'name your price' download rather than a free one, which could change at any time). On Arktika's own bandcamp page for the album the download costs €4 EUR or more.

If you look on this wayback machine capture of their old website: https://web.archive.org/web/20130120235848/http://www.arktika.eu/, you will see that the "Symmetry" album was available as a free download via bandcamp solely as a gift from the band to their fans at Christmas 2012. All the album images on their bandcamp still have a large "Free Download" banner across them, but none of them are free these days. Further down the web archive page you will read that the band split up after playing their last show sometime in 2013, and this could be added to the biography.

E&O Team: Thanks, done (see Julien's post below).
(Only to mark already handled request, because the queue grows).


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^ I said that would be the last one for now, but here's one more, just for tonight. Embarrassed

Credits are a nightmare on this album: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29584.


See the two other versions on discogs as well.

I think this is more or less correct, but check it!!! Confused

- Björn J:Son Lindh / piano, organ (1-8), synthesizer, flute (1)

With:
- Bengt (Bella) Linnarsson / bass (1)
- Palle Danielsson / bass (1)
- Lucas Lindholm / electric bass (2-8)
- Mats Hagström  / cello (1)
- Jan Bandel / drums (1-8)
- Ola Brunkert / drums (1)
- Rune Carlsson / drums (1)
- Janne Carlsson / drums (2-8)
- Anders Nordh / guitar (1)
- Janne Schaffer / guitar (1)
- Hawkey Franzén / accordion, guitar (2-8)
- Kenny Håkansson / electric guitar (1-8)
- Rune Gustafsson / electric guitar (2-8)
- Bengt Olsson / horn (2-8)
- Bengt Sundberg / horn (2-8)
- Lars-Erik Rönn / oboe (2-8)
- Nisse Sandström / tenor saxophone (2-8)
- Jörgen Johansson / trombone (2-8)
- Torgny Nilsson / trombone (2-8)
- Beinth Gustavsson / trumpet (2-8)
- Bertil Lövgren / trumpet (2-8)
- Anders Nordh / vocals (2-8)
- Göran Lagerberg/ vocals (2-8)
- Hawkey Franzén / vocals (2-8)
- Karin Stigmark / vocals (2-8)
- Sveriges Radios Symfoniorkester / strings (1-8)

Total time is missing too:

1. Musik Från En Storstad (21:36) 
2. Tom Bohla 1971 (1:21) 
3. Grytnäs Sväller (1:38) 
4. Biezlov (1:46) 
5. Den Dansante Wollmar (6:41) 
6. I Grodspadet (3:30) 
7. Stäng Locket - Hon Fryser (3:46) 
8. Tom Bohla 1972 (1:14) 

Total time 41:32

^ Those timings are from discogs. The ones we currently have are from RYM, but the time for track 5 'Den dansande Wollmar' at 5:04 is much shorter than that the 6:41 on the discogs page for the album, YouTube, and the image of the CD itself (or the back cover of the LP) at discogs.

Edit: I forgot to add last night the details of where the tracks were recorded, which will help explain the variations in the musicians who performed on them:

Track 1 recorded at Studio 7, Radiohuset, Stockholm between the 22nd of March and 1st of April, and at the Musikaliska Akademien, Stockholm on the 4th of May 1971.

Tracks 2 to 8 recorded at Studio 7, Radiohuset, Stockholm, June 11-23 1971.

Vinyl LP SR Records - RELP 1135 (1971, Sweden)

The CD version of the album was bundled together with the book "J:son : ett lätt turbulent porträtt" (J:son : a slightly turbulent portrait), which was released in July 2016, with the CD contained (without any front or back cover) in a plastic pocket within the book.

CD and Book Skabetti Books & Agency - SKACD 001 (2016, Sweden)

E&O Team: Thanks, done (see Julien's post below).
(Only to mark already handled request)


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Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Second Generation (Scenes from 1975-1977)" by Van Der Graaf Generator.

1. The Undercover Man (7:00)
2. Scorched Earth (10:10)
3. The Sleepwalkers (10:26)
4. Pilgrims (7:05)
5. Still Life (6:40)
6. When She Comes (7:58)
7. Siren Song (6:40)
8. Cat's Eye / Yellow Fever (Running) (5:00)
9. Wondering (6:30)

Line-up:
- Peter Hammill / vocals, guitars, piano, Hohner clavinet D6 (1,2,3), keyboards (7,8)
- Hugh Banton / organs (1-6,9), bass pedals (1-6,9), bass (1-5), Mellotron (4,5,6,9), piano (4,5)
- David Jackson / saxophones (1-6,9), flute (1-6,9)
- Guy Evans / drums, percussion, cymbal (6,9)
- Graham Smith / violin (7,8), viola (7,8)
- Nic Potter / bass (7,8)

Releases Information:

Lyrics: Peter Hammill
Producers: Peter Hammill (7,8), Van Der Graaf Generator (1-6,9)

On the album:
- Godbluff (1-3)
- Still Life (4,5)
- World Record (6,9)
- The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome (7,8)

CD Virgin – COMCD3 (Europe, 1986)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1427
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/3850533-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Second-Generation-Scenes-From-1975-1977

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Again, I would strongly advise checking that I've not messed this up before adding it to our page:

- Björn J:Son Lindh / flute (1,2,3,4,6,7,8), piano (1), cowbell (1), flute [alto] (5), electric piano (5,6,7)

With:
- Jan Schaffer / acoustic guitar, electric guitar (1,2,4,6,7,8)
- Kenny Håkansson / electric guitar (5)
- Mike Watson / Fender bass (1,5,6,7,8)
- Nagi el Habashy / cello (4)
- Kofi Aivor / congas (1,6,7)
- Malando Gassanna / congas (2,3)
- Palle Danielsson / double bass (2,3)
- Ola Brunkert / drums (1,2,5,6,7,8)
- Bengt Berger / drums (3)
- Bobo Stenson / electric piano (3)
- Abd El Rahman El Khatib / lute (4,8)
- Bahi Barakat / tabla (4)
- Jan Bandel / tabla (8)

There is currently no total time on the page. Our existing timings have been taken from RYM, but I've used the ones from spotify here to calculate the total time, since they are from an actual stream of the album.

1. My Machine (4:06) 
2. Good Time Charlie's Got The Blues (2:57) 
3. Bobo (5:16) 
4. El Henna (2:52) 
5. Kiki (3:47) 
6. Elastic Springtime (3:31) 
7. The Booster Pump (3:22) 
8. Abdo (10:01) 

Total time 35:52

The album was recorded in Metronome Studio, Stockholm, July-October 1972.

E&O Team: Thanks, done (see Julien's post below).
(Only to mark already handled request).


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Last one of the Björn J:Son Lindh albums without line ups: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29586.


- Björn J:Son Lindh / flute, keyboards, synthesizer

With:
- Jan Schaffer / electric guitar
- Jan Tolf / percussion
- Jon Christensen / drums, percussion (2)
- Mike Watson / electric bass (2-6)
- Stefan Brolund / electric bass (1)
- Okay Temiz / percussion, drums (2)
- Lennart Åberg / soprano saxophone (2,3,5,6)
- Jan Bandel / vibraphone (3)

No total time again, and I don't know where our existing timings have come from, so I've used the spotify timings from an actual stream of the album. Discogs timings are taken from the labels attached to the discs of the US LP issues, but the time printed for the title track 'Sissel' is two and a half minutes longer than the spotify one, with our existing time for the track being even shorter than that. YouTube agrees with the spotify time for the track too.

1. Bull Dog (7:27) 
2. Surto's Pyle'as (2:49) 
3. Storpolska (9:26) 
4. Your Own House (3:26) 
5. Sissel (9:01) 
6. Games People Play (3:46) 

Total time 35:55

The album was recorded at Metronome Studio, Stockholm, Sweden, October 1973.

E&O Team: Thanks, done (see Julien's post below).
(Only to mark already handled request).


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These next two albums in the list of those without a line up need to be deleted, along with the other one (Neapolis) on the band's page - once it's been added again where it really belongs - since the band Blackbirch already exists in the database as Harvest, with them changing their name to Blackbirch back in April 2015.


The Blackbirch page says in the biography (which is otherwise almost empty apart from saying that the band was formed in 2005 and is a progressive metal band from Modena, Italy): NOTE: This band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker HARVEST. That statement is really incorrect. The original entry is perfectly good - all that needs doing is the name Harvest changing to Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest), or something along those lines, and the Neapolis album which they released as Blackbirch being added there instead of under the later duplicated entry for Blackbirch. The other album currently on the Harvest page 'Sparks', released in 2014 when they were still known as Harvest, is currently in the Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo section, but it is really a full-length studio album, being over 38 minutes long, so I'd be tempted to move it to the official 'top albums' section.

Both albums have the line ups included where they appear in the Harvest discography, and none of the albums in either of the band's entries has any reviews, so once the Neapolis album has been added to the original Harvest (or Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest)) page, all three can be deleted from the duplicate Blackbirch page, leaving an almost empty page there. The statement saying that the band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker HARVEST really needs to be altered to read "Note: This band has been erroneously duplicated here, but already exists in the database as Harvest (or Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest) if the name is changed to that), with them changing their name to Blackbirch in April 2015".

The Harvest biography currently also has a similar statement at the bottom "NOTE: This band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker BLACKBIRCH", which can be left there, since only M@X can delete this later entry, but we need to continue by adding: "but Harvest simply changed their name to Blackbirch in April 2015, with the addition of Emanuele Tognoli on bass, thus allowing Francesco Pini to transfer over to guitar and keyboards".

Someone then needs to message M@X to explain what has happened, and hopefully he will one day respond and remove the duplicated entry. Big smile

Hope I managed to explain all that OK...but you'll soon get the picture when you look at the various pages involved if I didn't! Embarrassed
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Another one (and the last one for tonight, since this is another band whose members don't like to reveal who they really are lol!).


As well as no band line up, there is no total time. 
On bandcamp the track titles all begin with lower case letters, but the Progarchives AFT utility has capitalised them.

1. A Praise For Ghosts (6:02) 
2. Broken Flowers (9:55) 
3. The Living Receiver (4:01) 
4. Sermon (8:17) 
5. Bridgeburner (10:42) 

Total time 38:57

Only the first names of most of the band members have ever been revealed on line. However, Tim's full name appears to be Tim Kockentiedt. See: https://www.discogs.com/artist/1978396-Tim-Kockentiedt.

The final line up was:

- Marc / vocals
- Jürgen / guitars
- Felix / bass
- Tim / guitars
- Jürgen / drums

Only the 'Symmetry' album had this line up though. The earlier 'Heartwrencher' EP and 'At Zero' album had a different bassist named Jan (or Jan Blurr), and this need to be changed on both pages.

Line ups for each disc and full releases info can be found at https://www.discogs.com/artist/1086374-Arktika.

Note: The free download of the Symmetry album that is mentioned in the Releases information section is only available on the Narshardaa Records bandcamp page for the album (and it is a 'name your price' download rather than a free one, which could change at any time). On Arktika's own bandcamp page for the album the download costs €4 EUR or more.

If you look on this wayback machine capture of their old website: https://web.archive.org/web/20130120235848/http://www.arktika.eu/, you will see that the "Symmetry" album was available as a free download via bandcamp solely as a gift from the band to their fans at Christmas 2012. All the album images on their bandcamp still have a large "Free Download" banner across them, but none of them are free these days. Further down the web archive page you will read that the band split up after playing their last show sometime in 2013, and this could be added to the biography.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Arktika - Symmetry: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=40524.

Originally posted by <b><font color=#0000ff size=3>E&O Team</font></b> E&O Team wrote:

 Thanks, done (see Julien's post below).
(Only to mark already handled request, because the queue grows).

Sorry! No more will be posted until the current queue is all completed. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Credits are a nightmare on this album: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29584.


See the two other versions on discogs as well.

I think this is more or less correct, but check it!!! Confused

- Björn J:Son Lindh / piano, organ (1-8), synthesizer, flute (1)

With:
- Bengt (Bella) Linnarsson / bass (1)
- Palle Danielsson / bass (1)
- Lucas Lindholm / electric bass (2-8)
- Mats Hagström  / cello (1)
- Jan Bandel / drums (1-8)
- Ola Brunkert / drums (1)
- Rune Carlsson / drums (1)
- Janne Carlsson / drums (2-8)
- Anders Nordh / guitar (1)
- Janne Schaffer / guitar (1)
- Hawkey Franzén / accordion, guitar (2-8)
- Kenny Håkansson / electric guitar (1-8)
- Rune Gustafsson / electric guitar (2-8)
- Bengt Olsson / horn (2-8)
- Bengt Sundberg / horn (2-8)
- Lars-Erik Rönn / oboe (2-8)
- Nisse Sandström / tenor saxophone (2-8)
- Jörgen Johansson / trombone (2-8)
- Torgny Nilsson / trombone (2-8)
- Beinth Gustavsson / trumpet (2-8)
- Bertil Lövgren / trumpet (2-8)
- Anders Nordh / vocals (2-8)
- Göran Lagerberg/ vocals (2-8)
- Hawkey Franzén / vocals (2-8)
- Karin Stigmark / vocals (2-8)
- Sveriges Radios Symfoniorkester / strings (1-8)

Total time is missing too:

1. Musik Från En Storstad (21:36) 
2. Tom Bohla 1971 (1:21) 
3. Grytnäs Sväller (1:38) 
4. Biezlov (1:46) 
5. Den Dansante Wollmar (6:41) 
6. I Grodspadet (3:30) 
7. Stäng Locket - Hon Fryser (3:46) 
8. Tom Bohla 1972 (1:14) 

Total time 41:32

^ Those timings are from discogs. The ones we currently have are from RYM, but the time for track 5 'Den dansande Wollmar' at 5:04 is much shorter than that the 6:41 on the discogs page for the album, YouTube, and the image of the CD itself (or the back cover of the LP) at discogs.

Edit: I forgot to add last night the details of where the tracks were recorded, which will help explain the variations in the musicians who performed on them:

Track 1 recorded at Studio 7, Radiohuset, Stockholm between the 22nd of March and 1st of April, and at the Musikaliska Akademien, Stockholm on the 4th of May 1971.

Tracks 2 to 8 recorded at Studio 7, Radiohuset, Stockholm, June 11-23 1971.

Vinyl LP SR Records - RELP 1135 (1971, Sweden)

The CD version of the album was bundled together with the book "J:son : ett lätt turbulent porträtt" (J:son : a slightly turbulent portrait), which was released in July 2016, with the CD contained (without any front or back cover) in a plastic pocket within the book.

CD and Book Skabetti Books & Agency - SKACD 001 (2016, Sweden)
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:



Again, I would strongly advise checking that I've not messed this up before adding it to our page:

- Björn J:Son Lindh / flute (1,2,3,4,6,7,8), piano (1), cowbell (1), flute [alto] (5), electric piano (5,6,7)

With:
- Jan Schaffer / acoustic guitar, electric guitar (1,2,4,6,7,8)
- Kenny Håkansson / electric guitar (5)
- Mike Watson / Fender bass (1,5,6,7,8)
- Nagi el Habashy / cello (4)
- Kofi Aivor / congas (1,6,7)
- Malando Gassanna / congas (2,3)
- Palle Danielsson / double bass (2,3)
- Ola Brunkert / drums (1,2,5,6,7,8)
- Bengt Berger / drums (3)
- Bobo Stenson / electric piano (3)
- Abd El Rahman El Khatib / lute (4,8)
- Bahi Barakat / tabla (4)
- Jan Bandel / tabla (8)

There is currently no total time on the page. Our existing timings have been taken from RYM, but I've used the ones from spotify here to calculate the total time, since they are from an actual stream of the album.

1. My Machine (4:06) 
2. Good Time Charlie's Got The Blues (2:57) 
3. Bobo (5:16) 
4. El Henna (2:52) 
5. Kiki (3:47) 
6. Elastic Springtime (3:31) 
7. The Booster Pump (3:22) 
8. Abdo (10:01) 

Total time 35:52

The album was recorded in Metronome Studio, Stockholm, July-October 1972.
Thanks David. Updated, with some very minor changes to the line-up, and upgraded releases information. Smile
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Last one of the Björn J:Son Lindh albums without line ups: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29586.


- Björn J:Son Lindh / flute, keyboards, synthesizer

With:
- Jan Schaffer / electric guitar
- Jan Tolf / percussion
- Jon Christensen / drums, percussion (2)
- Mike Watson / electric bass (2-6)
- Stefan Brolund / electric bass (1)
- Okay Temiz / percussion, drums (2)
- Lennart Åberg / soprano saxophone (2,3,5,6)
- Jan Bandel / vibraphone (3)

No total time again, and I don't know where our existing timings have come from, so I've used the spotify timings from an actual stream of the album. Discogs timings are taken from the labels attached to the discs of the US LP issues, but the time printed for the title track 'Sissel' is two and a half minutes longer than the spotify one, with our existing time for the track being even shorter than that. YouTube agrees with the spotify time for the track too.

1. Bull Dog (7:27) 
2. Surto's Pyle'as (2:49) 
3. Storpolska (9:26) 
4. Your Own House (3:26) 
5. Sissel (9:01) 
6. Games People Play (3:46) 

Total time 35:55

The album was recorded at Metronome Studio, Stockholm, Sweden, October 1973.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote projeKct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2023 at 18:43
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

These next two albums in the list of those without a line up need to be deleted, along with the other one (Neapolis) on the band's page - once it's been added again where it really belongs - since the band Blackbirch already exists in the database as Harvest, with them changing their name to Blackbirch back in April 2015.


The Blackbirch page says in the biography (which is otherwise almost empty apart from saying that the band was formed in 2005 and is a progressive metal band from Modena, Italy): NOTE: This band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker HARVEST. That statement is really incorrect. The original entry is perfectly good - all that needs doing is the name Harvest changing to Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest), or something along those lines, and the Neapolis album which they released as Blackbirch being added there instead of under the later duplicated entry for Blackbirch. The other album currently on the Harvest page 'Sparks', released in 2014 when they were still known as Harvest, is currently in the Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo section, but it is really a full-length studio album, being over 38 minutes long, so I'd be tempted to move it to the official 'top albums' section.

Both albums have the line ups included where they appear in the Harvest discography, and none of the albums in either of the band's entries has any reviews, so once the Neapolis album has been added to the original Harvest (or Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest)) page, all three can be deleted from the duplicate Blackbirch page, leaving an almost empty page there. The statement saying that the band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker HARVEST really needs to be altered to read "Note: This band has been erroneously duplicated here, but already exists in the database as Harvest (or Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest) if the name is changed to that), with them changing their name to Blackbirch in April 2015".

The Harvest biography currently also has a similar statement at the bottom "NOTE: This band is erroneously duplicated under the moniker BLACKBIRCH", which can be left there, since only M@X can delete this later entry, but we need to continue by adding: "but Harvest simply changed their name to Blackbirch in April 2015, with the addition of Emanuele Tognoli on bass, thus allowing Francesco Pini to transfer over to guitar and keyboards".

Someone then needs to message M@X to explain what has happened, and hopefully he will one day respond and remove the duplicated entry. Big smile

Hope I managed to explain all that OK...but you'll soon get the picture when you look at the various pages involved if I didn't! Embarrassed
Oh wow, good work. Shocked But I too tired at the moment. I will investigate this case later, in the next days. Or maybe Eugene will step in? Thanks anyway! Thumbs Up
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^ Without digging too deep, we have 4 releases, some of them duplicated:

1. Rain / The Cold Sunrise 2012 (as Blackbirch album) and Rain/The Cold Sunrise 2012 (as Harvest album)
2. Sparks 2014 (as Blackbirch album) and Sparks 2014 (as Harvest EP)
3. Promise 2014 (as Harvest single)
4. Neapolis 2019 (as Blackbirch album)

Because nobody gives a sh*t about both bands none of the albums has reviews, it looks like we need to contact our metalheads (Prog Metal Team) and ask them to do as follows:
1. Change Blackbirch name to Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest) (on this https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=11030 page).
2. Move Promise 2014 single to Blackbirch page.
3. Use existing Harvest bio and modify it for Blackbirch page (or write a new one if they'd like to). 
Actually we can do steps 1-3 by ourselves if Prog Metal Team gives us their blessing.
After these 3 steps we don't need Harvest page anymore.
4. Re-use unnecessary Harvest page (artist ID) for any newly added band having 3 or more albums (in order to re-use 3 Harvest albums' pages).

Right?




Edited by NotAProghead - February 02 2023 at 19:51
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^ Yes, that would work fine. My original thoughts were to change the earlier Harvest entry to Blackbirch (Ex-Harvest) and eventually get rid of the later Blackbirch one, but you have gone the other way and propose to keep the newer Blackbirch addition - eventually re-using the old Harvest page for another band or artist. Your method is actually a lot simpler! Thumbs Up

The current Harvest bio is OK to use on the Blackbirch page as it is - all that really needs to be added is "HARVEST changed their name to BLACKBIRCH in April 2015, with the addition of Emanuele TOGNOLI on bass, thereby releasing Francesco PINI from the role to enable him to contribute guitar and keyboards to the band instead".

I suggested a band called Initial Mass for inclusion in Heavy prog last week: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130425. I'm pretty sure they will be accepted, and they have four albums, so would be ideal candidates to take up the spare page left behind by Harvest. BrufordFreak is the only collaborator to comment in the thread so far, but he said: "Big YES to Initial Mass for PA admission through the Heavy Prog portal", so I doubt that the others are likely to vote 'no'.

A word in the team leader's ear to ask him if he might consider reusing the redundant Harvest artist ID for the eventual addition of Initial Mass could bring about an early solution to this issue!
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