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Updated track listing, and releases information for "Masks Part 1 / Masks Part 2" by Van Der Graaf Generator. I also believe the album title should be changed to "Masks Pt. 1 & 2" as shown on the single.

A. Masks - Part 1
B. Masks - Part 2

Releases information:

Writers: Peter Hammill
Engineer: Pat Moran
Producer: Van Der Graaff Generator

7" Charisma - 6837 345 (France, 1976)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=25074
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/4579789-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Masks-Part-1-Masks-Part-2
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Updated track listing and releases information for "Cat's Eye" by Van Der Graaf Generator. In my opinion, the title should be changed to "Cat's Eye / Ship of Fools".

1. Cat's Eye (3:20)
2. Ship Of Fools (3:46)

Total Time 7:06

Releases Information:

Producer: Peter Hammill
Writers: Peter Hammill (1,2), Graham Smith (1)

7" Charisma - 6173 516 (France, 1977)


Progarchives: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22471
Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/release/8754379-Van-Der-Graaf-Cats-Eye


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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

SAN PEDRO'S VISION was added to the data base a few days ago.

I'm trying to add their discography but get this error message:

ADODB.Field error '800a0bcd'

Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted. Requested operation requires a current record.

/Progressive_rock_discography_includes/functions_utils.asp, line 599

What's the remedy?


E&O Team: Looks like some PA or your internet connection glitch. Now I see you've added the same album 3 times.

Possible ways of solution:

- reuse 2 excessive pages for other albums (if you're experienced enough);

- ask admins to delete 2 excessive entries and add other albums as usual.



I only just noticed your response. Thanks.

It seems that the 2 excessive entries have been deleted (not by me.)
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Updated track listing, line-up. and releases information for "Highly Strung" by Van Der Graaf Generator. I believe the title should be changed to "Highly Strung / Elsewhere" as well.

A. Highly Strung
B. Elsewhere

Line-up:
- Peter Hammill / vocals, piano, guitar
- Hugh Banton / organs, piano, glockenspiel, harpsichord, bass & 10-string bass
- Guy Evans / drums, percussion

Releases Information:

Producer: Van Der Graaf Generator
Writers: Peter Hammill, Hugh Banton, Guy Evans

7" Esoteric Recordings - VDGS 101, Cherry Red - VDGS 101 (UK, 2011)
Limited to 1000 copies as part of Record Store Day 2011.


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=46069
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/2834070-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Highly-StrungElsewhere
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Updated line-up, and releases information for "68-71" by Van Der Graaf Generator. Also, the album "Reflection" has a duplicate track listing to this album. Therefore, I believe it should be removed and added to the releases information.

- Peter Hammill / lead vocals, acoustic guitar, piano (6)
- Hugh Banton / piano, organs, percussion (1,5), oscillator (4,8), backing vocals
- Keith Ellis / wah-wah bass (1,5), backing vocals (1,5)
- David Jackson / saxophones (2,3,4,6,7,8), flute (2,3,4,6,7,8), fx (4,8), backing vocals (2,3,4,6,7,8)
- Nic Potter / bass (2,3,4,6,7,8), electric guitar (2,3,6,7)
- Guy Evans / drums, percussion, timpani (4,8)

With:
- Mike Hurwitz / cello (6)

Releases Information:
"Reflection" 12" Fontana - 9286 002 (Germany, 1975)

From the album:
- The Aerosol Grey Machine (1,5)
- The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other (2,3,6,7)
- H To He, Who Am The Only One (4,8)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1418
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/master/265441-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-68-71


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^ Thanks, both done. You're right about "Reflections", we'll try to delete it. But I have to contact VianaProghead first, because it's the only way to move the review from one entry to another. So it will take some time.
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

It seems that the 2 excessive entries have been deleted (not by me.)
Yeah, I asked admins to delete them. Wink
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=56094: it seems to me the album title should not have a dash but a colon, i.e. "Messages from Afar: First Contact".

See the album cover and sources like Bandcamp and Discog.


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Originally posted by Xymph Xymph wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=56094: it seems to me the album title should not have a dash but a colon, i.e. "Messages from Afar: First Contact".

See the album cover and sources like Bandcamp and Discog.

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Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Rock Heavies"  by Van Der Graaf Generator.

1. Lizard Play (4:11)
2. The Habit Of The Broken Heart (4:19)
3. Lemmings (Including COG) (11:36)
4. A Place To Survive (10:00)
5. La Rossa (9:47)

Line-up:
- Peter Hammill / lead vocals, guitars, pianos
- Hugh Banton / organs, piano, Mellotron, bass, bass pedals, synthesizer (3), Fx (3), backing vocals (3)
- David Jackson / saxophones (3,4,5), flute (3,4,5), Fx (3), backing vocals (3)
- Guy Evans / drums, percussion, timpani (3), cymbal (4)
- Graham Smith / violin (1,2), viola (1,2)
- Nic Potter / bass (1,2)

With:
- Robert Fripp / electric guitar (3)

Releases Information:

Writer: Peter Hammill
Cover Photography: Keith Morris

12" Charisma - 9198 637 (Germany, 1980)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=51433
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/2790884-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Rock-Heavies
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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Updated line-up, and releases information for "68-71" by Van Der Graaf Generator. Also, the album "Reflection" has a duplicate track listing to this album. Therefore, I believe it should be removed and added to the releases information.

I've just got VianaProghead's agreement to delete the "Reflection" compilation album. Admins will delete it soon. Thanks!
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Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Vital" by Van Der Graaf Generator. Also, I believe including the "2005 Remastered Edition double CD" track listing is unnecessary since it is the same as the original release.

1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (Parts of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers and The Sleepwalkers) (13:41)
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7. Sci-Finance (6:25)
8. Door (6:00)
9. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)
10. Nadir's Big Chance (3:40)

1989 CD Release:
1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (13:41) :
- i) Plague of Lighthouse Keepers
- ii) Sleepwalkers
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7. Door (6:00)
8. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)

Track-listing:
- Peter Hammill / vocals, piano, guitar
- Nic Potter / bass
- Graham Smith / violin
- Charles Dickie / cello, electric piano, synthesizer
- David Jackson / saxophones and flute (4-7)
- Guy Evans / drums

Releases Information:

Producer: Guy Evans
Existential Producer: Peter Hammill
Engineer: Dave Anderson
Recording Engineer: Mike Dunne
Cover Photograph: Gordian Troeller

Recorded At: Marquee Club, London (16 January 1978)

12" PVC Records - PVC 9901 (1978, US)
12" Charisma - CVLD 101 (1978, UK)
CD Virgin - CVLCD101 (1989, UK)
2CD Virgin - 0946 3 32981 2 5, Charisma - CVLCDR 101 (2005, UK)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1423
Discogs (UK, 1978) - https://www.discogs.com/release/1361431-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (US, 1978) - https://www.discogs.com/release/5605493-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (UK, 1989) - https://www.discogs.com/release/1386933-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (UK, 2005) - https://www.discogs.com/release/945801-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

I recall back in January 2021, when you unleashed your database 'search and replace' tool on the World, that there were 16257 albums with no total time, around 9768 albums without individual track times, 59 albums with empty track lists, 2443 albums with empty line-ups and 4928 albums with empty releases information!

We dealt with the 59 albums with empty track lists on a one by one basis by sharing the workload in this thread, but what happened regarding the rest of the omissions you discovered back then, and how many remain today, I've no idea! LOL

Hey David, at last, I have some answers for you. Smile

Two years ago (January 2021) the database contained 64585 entries. Now it has 70620 entries.

Entries with no times at all in 2021: 9934 (15.4%)
Entries with no times at all in 2023: 9156 (13.0%)

Entries with track times but no total time in 2021: 6925 (10.7%)
Entries with track times but no total time in 2023: 5924 (8.4%)

Entries with empty line-ups in 2021: 2477 (3.8%)
Entries with empty line-ups in 2023: 2243 (3.2%)

Entries with empty releases information in 2021: 4970 (7.7%)
Entries with empty releases information in 2023: 5119 (7.2%)

So there is some improvement! Wink

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Originally posted by Prog Network Prog Network wrote:

Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Vital" by Van Der Graaf Generator. Also, I believe including the "2005 Remastered Edition double CD" track listing is unnecessary since it is the same as the original release.

1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (Parts of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers and The Sleepwalkers) (13:41)
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7. Sci-Finance (6:25)
8. Door (6:00)
9. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)
10. Nadir's Big Chance (3:40)

1989 CD Release:
1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (13:41) :
- i) Plague of Lighthouse Keepers
- ii) Sleepwalkers
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7. Door (6:00)
8. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)

Track-listing:
- Peter Hammill / vocals, piano, guitar
- Nic Potter / bass
- Graham Smith / violin
- Charles Dickie / cello, electric piano, synthesizer
- David Jackson / saxophones and flute (4-7)
- Guy Evans / drums

Releases Information:

Producer: Guy Evans
Existential Producer: Peter Hammill
Engineer: Dave Anderson
Recording Engineer: Mike Dunne
Cover Photograph: Gordian Troeller

Recorded At: Marquee Club, London (16 January 1978)

12" PVC Records - PVC 9901 (1978, US)
12" Charisma - CVLD 101 (1978, UK)
CD Virgin - CVLCD101 (1989, UK)
2CD Virgin - 0946 3 32981 2 5, Charisma - CVLCDR 101 (2005, UK)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1423
Discogs (UK, 1978) - https://www.discogs.com/release/1361431-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (US, 1978) - https://www.discogs.com/release/5605493-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (UK, 1989) - https://www.discogs.com/release/1386933-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital
Discogs (UK, 2005) - https://www.discogs.com/release/945801-Van-Der-Graaf-Vital

In my opinion track listing of the 1st CD edition is also unnecessary, it's enough to mention that 2 tracks omitted:

1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (Parts of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers and The Sleepwalkers) (13:41)
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7*. Sci-Finance (6:25)
8. Door (6:00)
9. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)
10*. Nadir's Big Chance (3:40)

* - omitted on 1989 CD

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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

In my opinion track listing of the 1st CD edition is also unnecessary, it's enough to mention that 2 tracks omitted:

1. Ship of Fools (6:43)
2. Still Life (9:42)
3. Last Frame (9:02)
4. Mirror Images (5:50)
5. Medley (Parts of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers and The Sleepwalkers) (13:41)
6. Pioneers Over 'C' (17:00)
7*. Sci-Finance (6:25)
8. Door (6:00)
9. Urban (Urban Part 1 / Killer (Section) / Urban Part 2) (8:20)
10*. Nadir's Big Chance (3:40)

* - omitted on 1989 CD

Correct?

Yes, I agree with your decision.

Good idea! Smile

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Updated track listing and releases information for "Maida Vale (The BBC Radio One Sessions)". However, I believe the title should be changed to just "Maida Vale".

1. Darkness (7:17)
2. Man-Erg (11:00)
3. Scorched Earth (9:40)
4. Sleepwalkers (8:58)
5. Still Life (7:20)
6. La Rossa (10:00)
7. When She Comes (8:08)
8. Masks (7:22)

Releases Information:

Written by: Peter Hammill (1-8), David Jackson (3)

Tracks 1 and 2 recorded for "Sounds Of The Seventies" (10/6/71)
Tracks 3 and 4 recorded for "The John Peel Show" (3/7/75)
Tracks 5 and 6 recorded for "The John Peel Show" (1/4/76)
Tracks 7 and 8 recorded for "The John Peel Show" (11/11/76)

CD Band Of Joy - BOJCD008 (UK, 1994)


Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1429
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/1941647-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Maida-Vale

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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Hey David, at last, I have some answers for you. Smile

Two years ago (January 2021) the database contained 64585 entries. Now it has 70620 entries.

Entries with no times at all in 2021: 9934 (15.4%)
Entries with no times at all in 2023: 9156 (13.0%)

Entries with track times but no total time in 2021: 6925 (10.7%)
Entries with track times but no total time in 2023: 5924 (8.4%)

Entries with empty line-ups in 2021: 2477 (3.8%)
Entries with empty line-ups in 2023: 2243 (3.2%)

Entries with empty releases information in 2021: 4970 (7.7%)
Entries with empty releases information in 2023: 5119 (7.2%)

So there is some improvement! Wink

Do you have any other question?
From the 2477 albums with empty line-ups in 2021, 364 had the classic - Name / guitars - Name / drums lineup. I guess a few of those could be looked at and maybe fixed. Otherwise, despite the small improvement, the task is still too huge to attempt to resolve it manually.

Here's the first one of the examples that you posted in 2021 which isn't a boxset/compilation album: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3040:

- Annie Haslam / vocals
- Jon Camp / bass
- Michael Dunford / guitar
- John Tout / keyboards
- Terry Sullivan / drums

The boxsets & compilations could be rather difficult to complete the line ups of if the tracks were sourced from different periods of the band's history, with personnel changes most likely involved.

E&O Team: Thanks, done.
By the way, in case of compilations (especially long ones) instead of "- Name / guitars"  I usually write "See line-ups of respective albums".


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Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Time Vaults" by Van Der Graaf Generator.

1. The Liquidator (5:24)
2. Rift Valley (4:40)
3. Tarzan (2:09)
4. Coil Night (4:12)
5. Time Vaults (3:33)
6. Drift (I Hope It Won't) (2:40)
7. Roncevaux (6:55)
8. It All Went Red (4:07)
9. Faint and Forsaken (2:45)
10. Black Room (8:52)

Line-up:
- Peter Hammill / vocals (1,2,7,10), piano (1,3,7,9,10), organ (8), guitar (2), bass (4)
- Hugh Banton / bass (1,3), organ (6,7,9,10)
- David Jackson / saxophone, piano (4)
- Guy Evans / drums 

Recorded at:
- Crowborough 1971 (8)
- Ross-on-Wye 1972 (6,7,10)
- Rockfield 1973 (1)
- Rockfield 1974 (3)
- Norton Canon 1975 (2,4,9)
- Compilation (5)

Treatments, editing and mix at Sofa Sound by Peter Hammill.

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1425
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/3062078-Van-Der-Graaf-Generator-Time-Vaults
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