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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


How many LPs do you have in total, Catcher, if I dare to ask? Big smile

No problem.....actually not that many considering. Back around mid 80s around 1200 LPs. Then when we started to move around the country for different jobs I lost probably 2/3 due to "lost" boxes. Which I chalked up to theft, of course moving companies back then all they did was reimburse you for lost boxes. Who know they may been lost in all the shuffle. But I doubt it.....

I took a position to only buy what I really wanted to listen to rather than become a "collector" again.......Right now I sit around 800 LPs. And about 300 CDs, which I got rid of a lot of CDs in the late 90's early 00's they just sounded like krapp and I never listened to them anyways.

I'm much happier with my collection now.

All of you guys have more than me. I'm sitting on 133 now, but I also have some years catching up. I'm in my early 30s, so I hope to have 1,000 soon! Big smile
So many records......no time to listen!! LOL Part of me is in this mood, when I'm buying now. Back in the day I bought to have the record and spun it maybe 2-3x a year.....Today I buy because I plan to spin it often, if not I leave it in the bin.

1,000 records x 45min = 45,000 min ÷ 60 min = 750 hours ÷ 3 hrs (time per day to listen, not realistic) = 250 days to listen to your whole collection once. I don't spin records everyday.......

Just a thought Big smile

I understand the logic behind not being able to play it often, but I think I enjoy buying for the sake of buying. LOL
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


How many LPs do you have in total, Catcher, if I dare to ask? Big smile

No problem.....actually not that many considering. Back around mid 80s around 1200 LPs. Then when we started to move around the country for different jobs I lost probably 2/3 due to "lost" boxes. Which I chalked up to theft, of course moving companies back then all they did was reimburse you for lost boxes. Who know they may been lost in all the shuffle. But I doubt it.....

I took a position to only buy what I really wanted to listen to rather than become a "collector" again.......Right now I sit around 800 LPs. And about 300 CDs, which I got rid of a lot of CDs in the late 90's early 00's they just sounded like krapp and I never listened to them anyways.

I'm much happier with my collection now.

All of you guys have more than me. I'm sitting on 133 now, but I also have some years catching up. I'm in my early 30s, so I hope to have 1,000 soon! Big smile
So many records......no time to listen!! LOL Part of me is in this mood, when I'm buying now. Back in the day I bought to have the record and spun it maybe 2-3x a year.....Today I buy because I plan to spin it often, if not I leave it in the bin.

1,000 records x 45min = 45,000 min ÷ 60 min = 750 hours ÷ 3 hrs (time per day to listen, not realistic) = 250 days to listen to your whole collection once. I don't spin records everyday.......

Just a thought Big smile

I understand the logic behind not being able to play it often, but I think I enjoy buying for the sake of buying. LOL
...You need medicine....WinkLOL
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

I understand the logic behind not being able to play it often, but I think I enjoy buying for the sake of buying. LOL
...You need medicine....WinkLOL

LOL   but how well we know it! LOL


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I took a position to only buy what I really wanted to listen to rather than become a "collector" again.......Right now I sit around 800 LPs. And about 300 CDs, which I got rid of a lot of CDs in the late 90's early 00's they just sounded like krapp and I never listened to them anyways.

I'm much happier with my collection now.

I almost only buy CDs when I'm not satisfied with albums in their original versions and want to listen to them skipping some tracks and/or playing them in another order than the original. I can do that with my programmable CD-player, and do it mostly with modern albums. Tongue


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I’ve become a lot like Jośe.
I buy albums that I will truly listen to and have replay value. Now that inflation is a serious you-know-what, I lean towards buying more high resolution CDs like blu/spec, UQCD , SACD and Blu ray audio. I get a lot out of these formats and they work very well with my equipment. More bang for the buck. Quality over quantity.

Speaking of which. How many of you fine music-heads on here will be buying the new Riverside album?

I know I will. Riverside is releasing a blu ray edition in ATMOS surround. I’m not passing that up.
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’ve become a lot like Jośe.
I buy albums that I will truly listen to and have replay value. 
.........
....Quality over quantity.

That part of your post sounds very good to me. Big smile

Something else, for the sake of environment, the heavy vinyl should be skipped. It has in fact many disadvantages, and I really don't understand why the record companies keep on with it.
With my more than 30 years experience as vinyl audiophile, I'd say that the sonic advantages of heavy vinyl are very small, and if any, the only people that can hear them are those with very good hearing, and only with very high quality systems.
Besides that, I find the heavy vinyl too clumsy and not cool at all. The middle weight, 120-150g, is much cooler and if record companies want with their reissues of pre-modern albums compete well with the originals and early reissues, they should stick to that format. Star


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^ Two of the best sounding vinyl albums I have are whisper thin and the the skinniest I've ever seen - The Blue Nile - A Walk Across the Rooftops and Hats, both on the Linn record label from the 80s.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’ve become a lot like Jośe.
I buy albums that I will truly listen to and have replay value. 
.........
....Quality over quantity.

I'll even say on basis of my experience that fewer albums give more appreciation.

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Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

^ Two of the best sounding vinyl albums I have are whisper thin and the the skinniest I've ever seen - The Blue Nile - A Walk Across the Rooftops and Hats, both on the Linn record label from the 80s.
For me it's Triumvirat's Mediterranean Tales, a very thin pressing with incredible sound.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’ve become a lot like Jośe.

Speaking of which. How many of you fine music-heads on here will be buying the new Riverside album?

I know I will. Riverside is releasing a blu ray edition in ATMOS surround. I’m not passing that up.
I just got my preorder from LasersEdge, hoping to spin it tonight/tomorrow. I was not liking the release Friend or Foe, too poppy sounding very 80s with the synth, it does sound like Ah-ha LOL. I do want them to go back to SLS and Rapid Eye Movement sounds, these extreme changes are not sitting well with me.
It seems like they are trying to copy what Steven Wilson did with HCE and TFB......

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’ve become a lot like Jośe.
I buy albums that I will truly listen to and have replay value. 
.........
....Quality over quantity.

That part of your post sounds very good to me. Big smile

Something else, for the sake of environment, the heavy vinyl should be skipped. It has in fact many disadvantages, and I really don't understand why the record companies keep on with it.
With my more than 30 years experience as vinyl audiophile, I'd say that the sonic advantages of heavy vinyl are very small, and if any, the only people that can hear them are those with very good hearing, and only with very high quality systems.
Besides that, I find the heavy vinyl too clumsy and not cool at all. The middle weight, 120-150g, is much cooler and if record companies want with their reissues of pre-modern albums compete well with the originals and early reissues, they should stick to that format. Star
I'm perfectly fine with the 180g and 200g releases, mainly 180g is what is coming out. The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). What a thicker LP allows is a deeper groove to handle more low end signal, as well the record is heavier so it can reject more vibrations than the 120g versions.

Back in the day, those very thin 100-120g records skipped a lot but mainly due to the very cheap and low end cartridges we could afford. Today cartridges and TT are much, much better the designs are so much better, that records I had play so much better nowadays as compared to what I had before.
And they don't cost anymore really, again if you look at inflation calculator a record from the late 70s early 80's would cost what we are paying now, and those records were 100-120g, the price today is for 180g....So your getting more for same price or less.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’ve become a lot like Jośe.

Speaking of which. How many of you fine music-heads on here will be buying the new Riverside album?

I know I will. Riverside is releasing a blu ray edition in ATMOS surround. I’m not passing that up.
I just got my preorder from LasersEdge, hoping to spin it tonight/tomorrow. I was not liking the release Friend or Foe, too poppy sounding very 80s with the synth, it does sound like Ah-ha LOL. I do want them to go back to SLS and Rapid Eye Movement sounds, these extreme changes are not sitting well with me.
It seems like they are trying to copy what Steven Wilson did with HCE and TFB......

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm perfectly fine with the 180g and 200g releases, mainly 180g is what is coming out. The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). What a thicker LP allows is a deeper groove to handle more low end signal, as well the record is heavier so it can reject more vibrations than the 120g versions.

Back in the day, those very thin 100-120g records skipped a lot but mainly due to the very cheap and low end cartridges we could afford. Today cartridges and TT are much, much better the designs are so much better, that records I had play so much better nowadays as compared to what I had before.
And they don't cost anymore really, again if you look at inflation calculator a record from the late 70s early 80's would cost what we are paying now, and those records were 100-120g, the price today is for 180g....So your getting more for same price or less.

But Catcher, do you have any idea about why the record companies still stick to the 180g-format?

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). 

"Double" and "triple" albums, with 10-15 minutes on each side, are such a waste of plastic and almost like maxi-singles to listen to. The shipment costs are higher too. Unhappy
- These are the sure cases when I buy CDs.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm perfectly fine with the 180g and 200g releases, mainly 180g is what is coming out. The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). What a thicker LP allows is a deeper groove to handle more low end signal, as well the record is heavier so it can reject more vibrations than the 120g versions.

Back in the day, those very thin 100-120g records skipped a lot but mainly due to the very cheap and low end cartridges we could afford. Today cartridges and TT are much, much better the designs are so much better, that records I had play so much better nowadays as compared to what I had before.
And they don't cost anymore really, again if you look at inflation calculator a record from the late 70s early 80's would cost what we are paying now, and those records were 100-120g, the price today is for 180g....So your getting more for same price or less.

But Catcher, do you have any idea about why the record companies still stick to the 180g-format?

Part of it is marketing and part of it is better mfg.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). 

"Double" and "triple" albums, with 10-15 minutes on each side, are such a waste of plastic and almost like maxi-singles to listen to. The shipment costs are higher too. Unhappy
Not sure what you mean 10-15 minuets on each side....? You might be thinking of LPs cut at 45RPM......
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The only disadvantage I can agree is the albums are thick and take up more space, especially dbl and triples (like the recent TFK albums). 

"Double" and "triple" albums, with 10-15 minutes on each side, are such a waste of plastic and almost like maxi-singles to listen to. The shipment costs are higher too. Unhappy
Not sure what you mean 10-15 minuets on each side....? You might be thinking of LPs cut at 45RPM......

Many 33RPM as well. 

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Even worse are those etched 4th sides. I mean just pack it with something or squeeze everything on 2 sides. The Tangent - The Music That Died Alone fits on one vinyl, 28 mins per side and it's great.
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Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

Even worse are those etched 4th sides. I mean just pack it with something or squeeze everything on 2 sides. The Tangent - The Music That Died Alone fits on one vinyl, 28 mins per side and it's great.

Exactly, and skip even a track or two if necessary - which I'd say is absolutely no problem with many modern albums.



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