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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Am I allowed to mention Psychedelic Rock bands too, even though they're not True Prog/Real Prog? If so, I can feel another A-Z list coming on. Wink

LOL   An A-Z list may be a bit overwhelming in this case. 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Am I allowed to mention Psychedelic Rock bands too, even though they're not True Prog/Real Prog? If so, I can feel another A-Z list coming on. Wink

LOL   An A-Z list may be a bit overwhelming in this case. 

But it might be interesting to discuss. Smile

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Imo, there was hardly any real prog in the 60s so it's kind of silly to ask this question. Given that many people think KC's debut was the first prog album that means that(to them at least) it was not only the best but just about the only one. I won't go quite that far but I still think it would be like asking for the best african prog keyboard players or something (and no I'm not being racist but just trying to make the point that there aren't many).

Agree with you 100%, Mike. The question is how can we convince David and the others that progressive rock didn't exist in true, real, full blown form in the 60s besides KC?
I am going to try one last time.
Many artists, bands were called progressive in the 60s, it doesn't mean they played, composed and recorded progressive rock songs. Bob Dylan was called progressive artist in the 60s because of his lyrics. Miles Davis was called progressive. One of the most influential jazz musician of all time, why not call him progressive (moving forward, groundbreaking). It doesn't mean he was a progressive rock artist.
Days of Future Passed by many considered first progressive rock album, but why? People, there is nothing proggy about this album. Innovative, groundbreaking, yes, but this is not progressive rock or symphonic rock. Bunch of well written, beautiful pop-rock songs, with psychedelic influences, mixed in with classical interludes performed by London Festival Orchestra. The orchestra and the band never played together, they were never in the recording studio together.
The classical pieces were arranged by Peter Knight, the orchestra's conductor. And you call this album first symphonic rock album ever? C'mon!
One of the most influential 60s album, yes definitely. I believe in early 2000s, Deram reissued early Moody Bluess albums. They all come with bonus tracks and the insert included the interview with one of the members of the band. Justin Hayward was asked by interviewer "were you ever considered yourselves as progressive rock band? His answer was no, we were never part of progressive rock movement.
I guess people are confused by the term proto-progreesive. The term means that the artist / band might influenced other bands to become progressive rock bands and were essential to the development of progressive rock. It doesn't mean that the band itself was or become later progressive rock band. The Beatles were the most influential bands of the 60s. They never played progressive rock or become one. The same with Moody Blues, Procol Harum, the Nice and the rest of the 60s bands mentioned in this thread except for King Crimson.

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Days of Future Passed by many considered first progressive rock album, but why? People, there is nothing proggy about this album. Innovative, groundbreaking, yes, but this is not progressive rock or symphonic rock. Bunch of well written, beautiful pop-rock songs, with psychedelic influences, mixed in with classical interludes performed by London Festival Orchestra. The orchestra and the band never played together, they were never in the recording studio together.
The classical pieces were arranged by Peter Knight, the orchestra's conductor. And you call this album first symphonic rock album ever? C'mon!
One of the most influential 60s album, yes definitely. I believe in early 2000s, Deram reissued early Moody Bluess albums. They all come with bonus tracks and the insert included the interview with one of the members of the band. Justin Hayward was asked by interviewer "were you ever considered yourselves as progressive rock band? His answer was no, we were never part of progressive rock movement.

That is indeed interesting. Can you also tell who wrote those "classical interludes/pieces"?

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Some of them by Peter Knight, some by him + Moody Blues member. Wiki has all the details under "Track Listing" section.
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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Some of them by Peter Knight, some by him + Moody Blues member. Wiki has all the details under "Track Listing" section.

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One more post that maybe better explains what I tried to explain above: the difference between "progressive" used as an adjective and progressive rock (style of music). This was written by HolyMoly, retired PA admin in 2013:
"There is a distinction between "prog" the style and "progressive" the adjective. That said, I've been a lifelong Moody Blues fan (literally; I was listening to them daily at age 4) and I see their first four (not counting the Denny Laine period, natch) albums as crucial building blocks for what would become "prog" the style (exemplified by Crimson's first album). However, I do believe that all of their "big seven" albums are progressive (the adjective). Subtle difference, but one I've come to accept here."

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

The idea for certain bands to perform or record with an orchestra . ...although Procol Harum didn't feel or seem like Progressive Rock . Instrumentals like "Overture" and "Underture" from Tommy ..The Who seemed far more adventurous than anything Procol Harum could ever do. The fast snare drum rolls played by Keith Moon on "Underture " were more in the style of Carl Palmer and it was unlikely Procol Harum would sound anything close to that.


How about "<span style="color: rgb31, 34, 40;"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="" size="2">In Held Twas in I</span>"?


David D...I stand corrected. In Held Twas In I does in fact have music characteristics of Progressive Rock. I never thought Robin Trower was a Progressive Rock guitarist, but the rest of the band seem to produce a Progressive Rock style in that piece...but I'm probably thinking of Progressive Rock to be more along the lines of Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Chris Squire, Keith Emerson, Robert Fripp, Bill Bruford, and Michael Giles..which that style of playing didn't seem to exist in the music of Procol Harum. I'm definitely thinking more about the style that the aforementioned played in the early 70s. But I'm being one sided about that and yes you are correct about this..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2023 at 18:29
Actually, that's AFKC. The first part is for "A flower?" which of course was a line in Supper's Ready. 

As to whether my answer is good or not depends on whether someone feels there was a lot of true (or real prog) in that decade. I'm ok with whatever as long as the Moody Blues and The Nice fit in there somewhere. Also, I don't necessarily think that "the red faced guy" album was the very first prog album but it was probably the first official one. Wink


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BS&amp;T in 1972

Blood, Sweat & Tears



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^ No, definitely not.God, I beg you, say something, anything? No? Okay, maybe next David's thread solves anything on this site.😉

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^ Oh yes my friend:  one of the tightest, most inspired rock-fusion bands of the era... even their hits were progressive - -

K I C K   A S S !




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My A-Z of the Most Influential Sixties Bands (subject to discussion) Wink

A - The Animals
B - The Beatles
C - Cream
D - The Doors
E - Edgar Broughton Band
F - Free
G - Grateful Dead
H - Jimi Hendrix Experience
I - Iron Butterfly
J - Jefferson Airplane
K - King Crimson
L - Led Zeppelin
M - The Moody Blues
N - The Nice
O - Orpheus (USA)
P - Pink Floyd
Q - Quicksilver Messenger Service
R - The Rolling Stones
S - Spirit
T - Traffic
U - Ultimate Spinach
V - Vanilla Fudge
W - The Who
X - Xhol Caravan
Y - The Yardbirds
Z - The Zombies


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Frankly speaking, I'm not sure what to think - my OP question can be viewed and tried to answer from several different perspectives.

But I like the idea of ItCotCK being the first full blown Progressive Rock album.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My A-Z of the Most Influential Sixties Bands (subject to discussion) Wink

I've got an idea for a thread which you might be the best man to run:

"Your Top 10 of the Most Influential Sixties Bands"
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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

^ No, definitely not.God, I beg you, say something, anything? No? Okay, maybe next David's thread solves anything on this site.😉

My hopes for "my" threads are more like good discussions than solutions - but maybe a part of the basis for some good solutions. Smile



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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My A-Z of the Most Influential Sixties Bands (subject to discussion) Wink


Great list, Paul. I am not familiar with Orpheus (USA), but I wouldn't be able to suggest any other influential band with a name starting with a letter "O".

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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My A-Z of the Most Influential Sixties Bands (subject to discussion) Wink


Great list, Paul. I am not familiar with Orpheus (USA), but I wouldn't be able to suggest any other influential band with a name starting with a letter "O".

Thanks! Here's a list of six British Psychedelic Rock bands beginning with the letter "O" who are even more obscure than Orpheus. Smile

4 stars 1969: Octopus - Restless Night - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCr5GCgiM7pZsEQsonE6TyISJSSAHB2bt

5 stars 1969: The Open Mind - The Open Mind - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_niMtBPdXLnBhA38aPchHkn-vqNpF1nNbA

4 stars 1969: One - One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peI71PYgzqs

4 stars 1971: Open Road - Windy Daze - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kqM-1B9NoHQcILgrrgFhfYReqW_WuWL6o

3 stars 2009: The Onyx - Kaleidoscope of Colours - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLUvk66O2BM

3 stars 1968: One in a Million - Double Sight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3sCvymB1_w


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2023 at 11:29
Hmmm....tough question considering ,as many have said , there really weren't many people doing 'full blown' prog then.  The  Nice and East of Eden were prog rock to my ears and Zappa on Hot Rats... and are listed that way here... Moody Blues and Procol are listed as 'crossover'.
KC's debut works for me for lack of a better choice ,but hell it came out in Oct 1969...the 60's were gone by then. 
Maybe best prog band of the 70's is a more relevant question..?
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Sixties? Nobody was progressive except the jazz guys. Yeah OK maybe Abbey Road.
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