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Hi,

After seeing the band 4 times (first 2 American West Coast tours -- Santa Monica Civic and the Greek Theater, then during Tangram and finally in Portland in 1987) ... I wish I had seen one of the shows with Iris and Linda ... because the videos just take me away so fast ... beautifully.

Their vault, features a lot of shows from the late 70's and 80's and I wonder if the rights for the shows is an issue ... but anything from Stratosfear on to the early 90's with Jerome, does not get the representation it deserves at this time, and I think that the quality of the shows is not as good, and it would be too difficult to clean them up and get the sound right.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

After seeing the band 4 times (first 2 American West Coast tours -- Santa Monica Civic and the Greek Theater, then during Tangram and finally in Portland in 1987) ... I wish I had seen one of the shows with Iris and Linda ... because the videos just take me away so fast ... beautifully.

Their vault, features a lot of shows from the late 70's and 80's and I wonder if the rights for the shows is an issue ... but anything from Stratosfear on to the early 90's with Jerome, does not get the representation it deserves at this time, and I think that the quality of the shows is not as good, and it would be too difficult to clean them up and get the sound right.
Talking of West Coast tours and Linda and Iris, here they are Live in Los Angeles in 2008, which came packaged together with The London Eye concert as a free bonus DVD. Thumbs Up

5 stars 2009: Live in Los Angeles (DVD/Video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n5n72n3Syk
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4 stars 2009: The Soft Dream Decade - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=189&tit=The+Soft+Dream+Decade

We're getting all romantic now for Tangerine Dream's 126th album: a compilation of some of Tangerine Dream's loveliest music,  for people in love or for those with lovesickness, which inspires me with hopeless romantic thoughts of devotion for Linda Spa. Heart

Twentynine Palms (I'd fall off a Big Log with surprise if Robert Plant didn't have a song with that exact same title) Smile





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3 stars 2009: The Independent Years - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=193&tit=The+Independent+Years

Tangerine Dream's 127th album. The Independent Years is a compilation of music from The Melrose Years era, Tangerine Dream's least liked era, but still sounding better than most of the music that was around in the late 1980's. Smile



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5 stars 2009: The Dante Song Trilogy - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=186&tit=The+Dante+Song+Collection

Tangerine Dream's 128th album. A superb collection of 14 songs (Yes, real songs with lyrics!) from three of Tangerine Dream's best albums:- Inferno; Paradiso; & Purgatorio. Thumbs Up



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^ I noticed this has been recently re-released or re-packaged as a box set. Cost is in the region of £50. Quite fancy it but my disposable income isn't what it used to be , plus I have Rick Wakeman, BBT and IQ stuff on pre-order. Maybe next year. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I noticed this has been recently re-released or re-packaged as a box set. Cost is in the region of £50. Quite fancy it but my disposable income isn't what it used to be , plus I have Rick Wakeman, BBT and IQ stuff on pre-order. Maybe next year. Smile

From the seemingly endless run of Tangerine Dream compilations, The Dante Song Trilogy is the best one I've come across so far, but £50 for a TD box set is enough to stretch anyone's budget. I'd sooner spend money on keeping warm this winter than splash out £50 on a box set that I don't really need. Brrrr! It's freezing today. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I noticed this has been recently re-released or re-packaged as a box set. Cost is in the region of £50. Quite fancy it but my disposable income isn't what it used to be , plus I have Rick Wakeman, BBT and IQ stuff on pre-order. Maybe next year. Smile

From the seemingly endless run of Tangerine Dream compilations, The Dante Song Trilogy is the best one I've come across so far, but £50 for a TD box set is enough to stretch anyone's budget. I'd sooner spend money on keeping warm this winter than splash out £50 on a box set that I don't really need. Brrrr! It's freezing today. 



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5 stars 2009: The Dante Arias Collection - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=190&tit=The+Dante+Arias+Collection

Tangerine Dream gets all operatic for their 129th album, the second compilation from The Dante Trilogy, which has just reminded me to stock up on cornettos for the freezer. If you like Sarah Brightman and the Opera Babes, then you'll surely love this album too. Thumbs Up
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I’m listening to the The Dark Side Of The Moog box set (9-11) right now it’s the live album record at Jazzfestival Hamburg 23/04/1999 superbly inspiring mind blowing music imho.
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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

I’m listening to the The Dark Side Of The Moog box set (9-11) right now it’s the live album record at Jazzfestival Hamburg 23/04/1999 superbly inspiring mind blowing music imho.

Sounds good, and as a reminder of just how good The Dante's Inferno trilogy is, here's a brand new playlist that I just discovered on YouTube this morning, even though it was originally uploaded 14 years ago.  Smile
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Hi,

Such a good presentation, and something that most rock bands are afraid to do ... this is really far out stuff. I've always thought that this was the logical extension for a lot of "progressive music" instead of a simple (simpler) riff and song ... and as such, even when listening to TLLDOB, all of a sudden, despite its wonderful moments how hollow it is by comparison. Some other pieces by various bands come across my mind, and I was thinking of Operation:Mindcrime and other things ... or a couple of other long pieces (Odyssey being another) that are not exactly satisfying, being just a bunch of songs to suit a specific theme, and all of a sudden The Wall seems the same, although I think that TW is better written, though I think that many bands have problems doing such varied stuff and some of it is way out there and tougher. A riff and song context is much easier to do, but tougher to show on stage when they do not have enough to show for it.

I guess I thought that "progressive" was going to extend into a form of literature for the senses ... but I think it got stuck in the commercial areas and familiar styles with touches that make all the rock bands "recognizable', instead of worrying letting the material carry the music ... it becomes about "make belief" with lyrics and the music, sometimes, feels incidental. But, then, I'm not sure too many bands, of any kind, would have the touch, guts and ability to touch Dante ... more "pulp'y fiction" is much easier to do and the imagery is not as so far out there, or weird. 


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^ I was in a Land of Confusion trying to figure out what "TLLDOB" stood for, but I've Untangled the riddle now. Smile
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^ I was in a Land of Confusion trying to figure out what "TLLDOB" stood for, but I've Untangled the riddle now. Smile

Hi,

Having grown up in a literary house and very high academic level, it is really difficult for me, more often than not, to consider many of the things that are labeled a "concept" ... anything but just the wasteful use of the word ... to make fans think that it is important and valuable as such.

I won't exactly put it all down ... I love TLLDOB and many other things, but within a literary context, it falls apart real quick, and so does The Wall, although the continuity for TW is easier to deal with conceptually. By the time you get it's all rock'n'roll in TLLDOB, it's really hard to take the whole thing seriously ... some great music and songs, but story? Nebulous at best specially when you thrown the whole thing under the bus as entertainment!

It's much easier to consider a "concept" when it is just the music, and things like Mike Oldfield, Vangelis, Ryuichi Sakamoto are important in this area ... in many ways you create your own imagery, but it is really difficult to not see how these 3 are so "movie-like" that so much rock music thinks that the lyrics will fill it all in ... the worst illusion that theater tries hard to teach its actors about ... this is not a Broadway musical! And a lot of the conceptual stuff by many bands, feels like just another Broadway musical for me ... and they can't do Bob Fosse, either! The concept there, helped dance come alive and with some really strong folks ended up inspiring the likes of Nureyev and then Misha.

Sometimes, I think that rock music just wants to stay in the streets. Something silly like that ... ohh, don't forget to buy their _____ so they can get the money for it! Confused


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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

I’m listening to the The Dark Side Of The Moog box set (9-11) right now it’s the live album record at Jazzfestival Hamburg 23/04/1999 superbly inspiring mind blowing music imho.


Sounds good, and as a reminder of just how good The Dante's Inferno trilogy is, here's a brand new playlist that I just discovered on YouTube this morning, even though it was originally uploaded 14 years ago.  Smile











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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I was in a Land of Confusion trying to figure out what "TLLDOB" stood for, but I've Untangled the riddle now. Smile

Hi,

Having grown up in a literary house and very high academic level, it is really difficult for me, more often than not, to consider many of the things that are labeled a "concept" ... anything but just the wasteful use of the word ... to make fans think that it is important and valuable as such.

I won't exactly put it all down ... I love TLLDOB and many other things, but within a literary context, it falls apart real quick, and so does The Wall, although the continuity for TW is easier to deal with conceptually. By the time you get it's all rock'n'roll in TLLDOB, it's really hard to take the whole thing seriously ... some great music and songs, but story? Nebulous at best specially when you thrown the whole thing under the bus as entertainment!

It's much easier to consider a "concept" when it is just the music, and things like Mike Oldfield, Vangelis, Ryuichi Sakamoto are important in this area ... in many ways you create your own imagery, but it is really difficult to not see how these 3 are so "movie-like" that so much rock music thinks that the lyrics will fill it all in ... the worst illusion that theater tries hard to teach its actors about ... this is not a Broadway musical! And a lot of the conceptual stuff by many bands, feels like just another Broadway musical for me ... and they can't do Bob Fosse, either! The concept there, helped dance come alive and with some really strong folks ended up inspiring the likes of Nureyev and then Misha.

Sometimes, I think that rock music just wants to stay in the streets. Something silly like that ... ohh, don't forget to buy their _____ so they can get the money for it! Confused
While we're in a classical mood and staying with the subject of dance and ballet, this is my all-time favourite version of Ravel's Bolero, from the Claude Lelouch movie "Les Uns et les Autres" (The One or the Other). Look out for James Caan watching the ballet at home on TV. Wink





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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

I’m listening to the The Dark Side Of The Moog box set (9-11) right now it’s the live album record at Jazzfestival Hamburg 23/04/1999 superbly inspiring mind blowing music imho.


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My pleasure. Did you see the very special ending where we finally get to hear Iris Camaa singing..... in Italian! Thumbs Up



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My pleasure. Did you see the very special ending where we finally get to hear Iris Camaa singing..... in Italian! Thumbs Up


Hi,

Even better, was that the earlier stuff was very classically minded and sung, and Iris sang it more like the popular style in music, less "classical" and more "real" specially for today's fans ... for me, it was like it was adapting the whole thing to today's words and folks ... and that was impressive. 

She can sing ... and has so many albums doing so many different things ... and she likes the different stuff ... she's not exactly a "rookie" and I think that was what Edgar saw in her to be able to add her to the band ... and she has/had an outstanding feel for the drums and specially the various touches in between the drumming parts!
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4 stars 2009: Starbound Collection - http://www.tangerinedreammusic.com/en/music/detail.asp?id=187&tit=Starbound+Collection

Tangerine Dream's 130th album. Starbound Collection is a musical journey through some of the tracks from two of Tangerine Dream's best albums of the nineties: Tyranny of Beauty & Turn of the Tides. 



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